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Lost tears of Kain on 09 November 2007
Rath said:
Calm it lost, Naz isnt being an asshole and wii fans arent going wild, they are replying to your post =

People on the internet will disagree with you, you'll have to learn to live with it. Naz is allowed his opinion and you basically ended up jumping down his throat because you didn't agree with it.


Personally I never played (or was interested in) Bioshock so I can't comment on it but saying that SMG is SM64 with added perks is just plain out wrong.
From everything I have seen about SMG it completely changes just about EVERYTHING, the gravity, the worlds, the gameplay, its all different. Basically the only similarities that I have seen are that they both involve the Mario characters and that they are both platformers, everything else seems to have been heavily changed up.
SM64DS is what SM64 with perks is.

Calling me stupid because i have an opinion and its different from his isnt being an ass? I cant believe this shit.

I didnt mean really going wild, mostly they reply and defend SMG and i didnt say its bad at all just alot like SM 64 which is a GOOD THING!

What you just stated with people will disagree with you is my entire point, and if you didnt get this then i failed at my objective.

I would have never stated that SMG is exactly like galaxy, i was saying that if compare alot of the games that should supposedly get marked down because they are like their predessesor.

Also it is alot like SM 64, just has some huge things that change it.

It contains A the exact same boss, and bad guy bowser

B collect stars

C same life

D same Coins to collect.

E same enemie types, though some are new.

ETC alot of similarties. Also that list could easily be done with halo 2 to halo 3 and SS 2 to Bioshock, they are still big time like their predessessor, but contain big things that are different (SS to bioshock, the story and other things, Mario 64 to Super galaxy gravity, and halo is alot like  halo 3 just few minor things different)

 



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dtewi on 09 November 2007

SM64 has the same traits as SMG true, but it is designed so radically different it cannot be considered a remake.



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Lost tears of Kain on 09 November 2007
dtewi said:
SM64 has the same traits as SMG true, but it is designed so radically different it cannot be considered a remake.

I never said remake, and if i did its completely off its like SM 64 2, or Super mario 64's decendent.

You understand in almost every review they have stated its the true successor to super mario 64?



                 With regard to Call of Duty 4 having an ultra short single player campaign, I guess it may well have been due to the size limitations of DVD on the XBox 360, one of various limitations multi-platform game designers will have to take into consideration-Mike B   

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Game trailers-Halo 3 only dissapointed the people who wanted to be dissapointed.

Bet with Harvey Birdman that Lost Odyssey will sell more then Blue dragon did.
Final-Fan on 09 November 2007

Lost tears of Kain said:
I first off never dissed maro galaxy, only defended bioshock and the wii fans go wild, this is unbelievable.

Lost tears of Kain said:
What is Mario galaxy? Its a remake of super mario 64 with better graphics/ artwork and the gameplay is superior.

This is why people jumped on you. That statement is more wrong than "two Gamecubes duct taped together."
""""""Might want to rethink that one. Plus, you forgot that Galaxy makes this little thing called gravity really important and that instantly disqualifies it as a remake. """"

First off, leave some quotation marks for the rest of us, OK? That's just ridiculous.
You understand that all the games have perks added to them that change the gameplay, it still is a sequal, you collect stars, hit people people and jump on them to kill them, still the same enemie, but cause its got gravity its not a remake. No matter what i say its still a fantastic game and feels great but its still in a huge way its mario 64 with few added perks

Saying that it's "Mario 64 with [a] few added perks" shows that at least one of three things is true:
1. You don't know enough about SMG to talk intelligently about it.
2. You don't know enough about SM64 to talk intelligently about it.
3. You are abusing the word "perks". That phrase would make a lot more sense if you added, after "perks", "and unprecedented and amazing worldbuilding"

Naz
"""First of all Lost Tears of Kain, if you haven't played both games, you don't want to get into this discussion with me. Bioshock only has better gameplay than System Shock 2 if you were too stupid to figure out how to use the awesome RPG elements of System Shock 2.

"""My problem with Bioshock is that reviews recognized it as original. No reviews are claiming Super Mario Galaxy is original, because it's not. It's just a re-imagining of Mario. Bioshock on the other hand got credit for numerous innovations which were literally just copy-pasted from its predecessor. If the reviews had said "System Shock 2 was great and so is this because it's like SS2" then I wouldn't be complaining about it.

Also, I never said my opinion was fact. I specifically said some review scores bothered ME. I didn't say no one had a right to like these games or disagree with my opinions on them."""

You really dont have to be an asswhole about it, i defended bioshock without swearing at you, only stating your opinion is NOT fact. You confirm this by your assanine first comment. Even if i HAD played it, which i havent, that doesnt mean just cause you see System shock 2 as better, doesnt mean IT IS. Ive heard people say they like the combat in bioshock more, its opinon, not just your own.

You say its just like its predessor and is getting claimed for innovation. I hear the same thing for galaxy. Its supposedly been so long since a platformer that it feels so danm new, therefor it is new and will get rated higher. Even if they had mentioned it as SS 2 successor, doesnt mean it would of changed its score.

Again, you leave no compensation for other peoples opinions, calling them stupid if they dont agree with you. Thats making your opinion FACT. That and you said COD was 5-6 hours my ass. Ive exceeded that, so yes they were right, just because you did it doesnt mean its not true.

naznatips hasn't sworn at you, and I'm a little confused as to why you would accuse him of it in the same breath as calling him an "asswhole" (an asshole who doesn't do it half-assed?).

As for innovation, no one is praising Galaxy for its amazing new stomp-on-head combat system. People were praising Bioshock for "innovations" that in actuality were also in System Shock 2.

As for CoD4 playing time, I have no right to get into who is right because I haven't played it, but I do know that your argument makes exactly zero sense. I've put over 150 hours into my first playthrough of Final Fantasy Tactics -- does this make it a 150-hour game? Of course not.



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dtewi on 09 November 2007

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loadedstatement on 09 November 2007

I think we are arguing on the same side. We just have different definitions of "remake". So...can we not argue? =] Lost, I see what you mean. And your last posts makes more sense to me.



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dtewi on 09 November 2007

""asswhole" (an asshole who doesn't do it half-assed?). "

+1.



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Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

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Lost tears of Kain on 09 November 2007
Final-Fan said:

Lost tears of Kain said:
I first off never dissed maro galaxy, only defended bioshock and the wii fans go wild, this is unbelievable.

Lost tears of Kain said:
What is Mario galaxy? Its a remake of super mario 64 with better graphics/ artwork and the gameplay is superior.

This is why people jumped on you. That statement is more wrong than "two Gamecubes duct taped together."
""""""Might want to rethink that one. Plus, you forgot that Galaxy makes this little thing called gravity really important and that instantly disqualifies it as a remake. """"

First off, leave some quotation marks for the rest of us, OK? That's just ridiculous.
You understand that all the games have perks added to them that change the gameplay, it still is a sequal, you collect stars, hit people people and jump on them to kill them, still the same enemie, but cause its got gravity its not a remake. No matter what i say its still a fantastic game and feels great but its still in a huge way its mario 64 with few added perks

Saying that it's "Mario 64 with [a] few added perks" shows that at least one of three things is true:
1. You don't know enough about SMG to talk intelligently about it.
2. You don't know enough about SM64 to talk intelligently about it.
3. You are abusing the word "perks". That phrase would make a lot more sense if you added, after "perks", "and unprecedented and amazing worldbuilding"

Naz
"""First of all Lost Tears of Kain, if you haven't played both games, you don't want to get into this discussion with me. Bioshock only has better gameplay than System Shock 2 if you were too stupid to figure out how to use the awesome RPG elements of System Shock 2.

"""My problem with Bioshock is that reviews recognized it as original. No reviews are claiming Super Mario Galaxy is original, because it's not. It's just a re-imagining of Mario. Bioshock on the other hand got credit for numerous innovations which were literally just copy-pasted from its predecessor. If the reviews had said "System Shock 2 was great and so is this because it's like SS2" then I wouldn't be complaining about it.

Also, I never said my opinion was fact. I specifically said some review scores bothered ME. I didn't say no one had a right to like these games or disagree with my opinions on them."""

You really dont have to be an asswhole about it, i defended bioshock without swearing at you, only stating your opinion is NOT fact. You confirm this by your assanine first comment. Even if i HAD played it, which i havent, that doesnt mean just cause you see System shock 2 as better, doesnt mean IT IS. Ive heard people say they like the combat in bioshock more, its opinon, not just your own.

You say its just like its predessor and is getting claimed for innovation. I hear the same thing for galaxy. Its supposedly been so long since a platformer that it feels so danm new, therefor it is new and will get rated higher. Even if they had mentioned it as SS 2 successor, doesnt mean it would of changed its score.

Again, you leave no compensation for other peoples opinions, calling them stupid if they dont agree with you. Thats making your opinion FACT. That and you said COD was 5-6 hours my ass. Ive exceeded that, so yes they were right, just because you did it doesnt mean its not true.

naznatips hasn't sworn at you, and I'm a little confused as to why you would accuse him of it in the same breath as calling him an "asswhole" (an asshole who doesn't do it half-assed?).

As for innovation, no one is praising Galaxy for its amazing new stomp-on-head combat system. People were praising Bioshock for "innovations" that in actuality were also in System Shock 2.

As for CoD4 playing time, I have no right to get into who is right because I haven't played it, but I do know that your argument makes exactly zero sense. I've put over 150 hours into my first playthrough of Final Fantasy Tactics -- does this make it a 150-hour game? Of course not.


Ahh i see there its coming from, i was only copying naz to show that its not true. If you guys didnt understand its my fault, that was my intention

Perks can be a big word the big perk in galaxy is the gravity system, and other things

I have Super mario 64, again you cant say im wrong, its OPINION, my entire point from the start



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Game trailers-Halo 3 only dissapointed the people who wanted to be dissapointed.

Bet with Harvey Birdman that Lost Odyssey will sell more then Blue dragon did.
Lost tears of Kain on 09 November 2007
loadedstatement said:
I think we are arguing on the same side. We just have different definitions of "remake". So...can we not argue? =] Lost, I see what you mean. And your last posts makes more sense to me.

I shouldnt of said remake it confused you guys, i was stating it to show that naz that, that statment is total crap. Was showing if you say that about bioshock you can say it about galaxy, which both are untrue to an extent



                 With regard to Call of Duty 4 having an ultra short single player campaign, I guess it may well have been due to the size limitations of DVD on the XBox 360, one of various limitations multi-platform game designers will have to take into consideration-Mike B   

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Game trailers-Halo 3 only dissapointed the people who wanted to be dissapointed.

Bet with Harvey Birdman that Lost Odyssey will sell more then Blue dragon did.
Final-Fan on 09 November 2007
Lost tears of Kain said:
dtewi said:
SM64 has the same traits as SMG true, but it is designed so radically different it cannot be considered a remake.

I never said remake, and if i did its completely off its like SM 64 2, or Super mario 64's decendent.

You understand in almost every review they have stated its the true successor to super mario 64.

Was Ocarina of Time a "remake" of Link to the Past?  Your argument makes no sense. 

And please don't lie:

Lost tears of Kain said:
naznatips said:
What is Mario galaxy? Its a remake of super mario 64 with better graphics/ artwork and the gameplay is superior.

 



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