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psrock on 15 January 2010

That was harsh, but.......



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Zucas on 15 January 2010

Well here's my comment I left IGN in that little article. I'm sure they'll appreciate it and know that people of logic will:

"Haha well this is a silly editorial. First and foremost, both games are very good, and show that platforming is still well and alive even in 2009.

Where you failed first is of course you didn't actually take down New Super Mario Bros Wii but simply boasted some of the features of Splosion Man. It's called a suppressed information fallacy and indeed illogical. If the author had thought on an analytical level rather than a purely biased one, they could have given a fair comparison.

I'm all for thinking that games get overhyped and overrated but none of that was proven here. Splosion man offers 4 player online co-op, but it is also plagued by lag. Splosion Man offers 100 levels, but none are even close to the same length as that of the NSMB Wii levels. Splosion Man is more original, simply becuase it is a new IP, but it doesn't mean that the game is actually a better one.

Sure if you simply find everything that Splosion Man has over NSMB Wii you can make it sound like you've actually stated something true. But all you've done is stated something completely illogical. You could have discussed which had better level design (key in platformers), which was more enjoyable, which had more replay value, which multi player worked better or more fun, etc. You could have gone over actual evidence and given a fair comparison but ya didn't.

It is because of that I can label this editorial as lazy. How ironic. Actually a lot of these so called articles IGN has written lately about all three hardware developers have been rather lately. Been all about shock value of what is being said rather than trying to say something that was well thought out. IGN you are lazy and selling out for hits. How funny."



psrock on 15 January 2010

How do you rate fun? I have always wondered how someone can tell me the game they enjoy is more fun than the game I enjoy or vice versa.







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Smeags on 15 January 2010
Zucas said:

Well here's my comment I left IGN in that little article. I'm sure they'll appreciate it and know that people of logic will:

"Haha well this is a silly editorial. First and foremost, both games are very good, and show that platforming is still well and alive even in 2009.

Where you failed first is of course you didn't actually take down New Super Mario Bros Wii but simply boasted some of the features of Splosion Man. It's called a suppressed information fallacy and indeed illogical. If the author had thought on an analytical level rather than a purely biased one, they could have given a fair comparison.

I'm all for thinking that games get overhyped and overrated but none of that was proven here. Splosion man offers 4 player online co-op, but it is also plagued by lag. Splosion Man offers 100 levels, but none are even close to the same length as that of the NSMB Wii levels. Splosion Man is more original, simply becuase it is a new IP, but it doesn't mean that the game is actually a better one.

Sure if you simply find everything that Splosion Man has over NSMB Wii you can make it sound like you've actually stated something true. But all you've done is stated something completely illogical. You could have discussed which had better level design (key in platformers), which was more enjoyable, which had more replay value, which multi player worked better or more fun, etc. You could have gone over actual evidence and given a fair comparison but ya didn't.

It is because of that I can label this editorial as lazy. How ironic. Actually a lot of these so called articles IGN has written lately about all three hardware developers have been rather lately. Been all about shock value of what is being said rather than trying to say something that was well thought out. IGN you are lazy and selling out for hits. How funny."

That was a much more enjoyable read, and I'm glad you started off with your signature "haha".

But in the last paragraph, in your second sentence, I believe that the last word should be "lazy" and not "lately". Other than that, your post made me feel a lot better about this thread.

And it's like you sated in your first sentence: Why can't we love both games?



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Lolcislaw on 15 January 2010

Wow whats with all the Hate IGN?

New Super Mario Bros is an awesome game that deserves all its sales, it might not be innovative (which big games are in these days?, Activision can be called lazy for releasing Cod every year) or graphically amazing (this generation proves that majority of customers dont care for visuals that much) but is incredible fun especially with local multiplayer. Suddenly its Ninty's crime to produce fun games that people want to play.


This is a prime example of gaming "journalism"



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radiantshadow92 on 15 January 2010
psrock said:
That was harsh, but.......

exactly i how i feel



forest-spirit on 15 January 2010
Zucas said:

Well here's my comment I left IGN in that little article. I'm sure they'll appreciate it and know that people of logic will:

"Haha well this is a silly editorial. First and foremost, both games are very good, and show that platforming is still well and alive even in 2009.

Where you failed first is of course you didn't actually take down New Super Mario Bros Wii but simply boasted some of the features of Splosion Man. It's called a suppressed information fallacy and indeed illogical. If the author had thought on an analytical level rather than a purely biased one, they could have given a fair comparison.

I'm all for thinking that games get overhyped and overrated but none of that was proven here. Splosion man offers 4 player online co-op, but it is also plagued by lag. Splosion Man offers 100 levels, but none are even close to the same length as that of the NSMB Wii levels. Splosion Man is more original, simply becuase it is a new IP, but it doesn't mean that the game is actually a better one.

Sure if you simply find everything that Splosion Man has over NSMB Wii you can make it sound like you've actually stated something true. But all you've done is stated something completely illogical. You could have discussed which had better level design (key in platformers), which was more enjoyable, which had more replay value, which multi player worked better or more fun, etc. You could have gone over actual evidence and given a fair comparison but ya didn't.

It is because of that I can label this editorial as lazy. How ironic. Actually a lot of these so called articles IGN has written lately about all three hardware developers have been rather lately. Been all about shock value of what is being said rather than trying to say something that was well thought out. IGN you are lazy and selling out for hits. How funny."

10/10.

 

 



radiantshadow92 on 15 January 2010
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I don't like watching people have breakdowns, so this is actually kind of hard to read.

Somebody having such a negative reaction to a game selling well - to people having fun with it, and their friends buying it as a result - is distressing in and of itself. I winced, reading this.

And the whole "NSMBWii plays just like the DS game" memetic needs to die

werd i played both, and they are different.

but....he having a breakdown because he is trying to get people to see his point, but no one will listen (since it got platformer of the year and all)...i agree with him to some extent though

What exactly do you agree with him on? That New Super Mario Bros. Wii isn't as awesome as sales suggest? That, in fact, it's mediocre? That's the word he assigned to it: "mediocrity".

I couldn't disagree with him more if he were trying to tell me God Hand sucks (ha-HA, IGN...), but that isn't really the point. The man is having a breakdown. In public. He's letting everyone see him tattoo his heart onto his bicep, with all the pettiness and ugliness made plain to the world. I'm embarrassed for him. I'm ashamed for him.

well he is a writer, so he is supposed to write about things pertaining to his opinion and receive hits for the site, so yeah i mean its his job, right now your showing your colors by being ashamed of him because he wants to express his opinion as a writer

 

and i agree with him on the fact that mario galaxy is top notch stuff nintendo should be doing, not bringing a game that has no online co-op or any more than 4 characters, they should be bringing us some online,  and more characters, maybe a little comical story or something (just examples)....all these things are possible on the wii but the developers played it safe (some call it laziness) with this game forsure. you cannot seriously say that they worked 100 percent on this, and i will go as far as to say that they do not deserve the sales, surely its a great game, but to cash in such an ammount of money for little effort is what annoys me, and it annoys me even more that people dont see that.

Proffesional writers express things... well proffesionally....

the article doesn't quite come off as proffesional... it comes off as well... embarrising.

It reminds me of when one of my friends would drunkenly complain that his band wasn't getting a chance when people with less talent got all the credit and hype.

whats professional about writers writing about games? i think jokes and hahas have to come into play when you write about games.. .

He gets paid at IGN right?

Also, proffesional writers tell jokes... all the time.  Have you never read a newspaper or ESPN or something.

 

yes i have >_>

but how proffesional can you be when writing about games....i mean hes trying to give points on how NSMB is not all that good, and gives jokes to back it up, sure some cross the line, but its the way he wants to write it to get his point across

You can be very professional when writing about games.

Look at the writers at ESPN.  Most of them are very proffesional and they're writing about proffesional sports.

proffessional sports are no more a "serious" topic then videogames.


The thing is... he' isn't trying to give points on how NSMB isn't that good... he's having a breakdown.  If he was trying to give points and his opinion on it he would do it in a more proffesional way... which could in fact include jokes.

 

The article he posted seemed like nothing more then some random breakdown a forum poster here would post.  He should be ashamed at getting paid for writing such a thing.

its not, this editorial is actually boasted by other editors (check out gamescoop podcast)...all of them agree with this editorial and so do i, you may say hes having a breakdown, but he just expressing his opinion and his job entitles him to do so, he brings up GREAT points, whether he has bad jokes or anger issues, his point is still damn good

You couldn't be missing the point harder if you tried...

Proffesionalism has no bearing on what your trying to argue.

You could argue that Hitler was right and do it in a proffesional way.

WHAT IS A PROFESSIONAL WAY (BTW YOU KEEP SPELLING IT WRONG)?....seriously, forget all that crap, he brings up a good point, yes the article is not the best thing written on the internet, but IT BRINGS UP GOOD POINTS, thats all that matters to me, its a good article overall, YOU couldnt be missing the point if you tried, i dont care he wrote it in baby language, or if he spelled the whole thing wrong, or if ESPN has better writers, his point is valid, how he expresses it should not be pointed as an embarrassment just because hes bashing someones favorite game, if he said OH MGS4 has long ass movies, i would not call it embarrassing, its A VALID POINT and should be expressed in whichever way he wants



Moren on 15 January 2010

you can't spell ignorant without ign



radiantshadow92 on 15 January 2010
Zucas said:

Well here's my comment I left IGN in that little article. I'm sure they'll appreciate it and know that people of logic will:

"Haha well this is a silly editorial. First and foremost, both games are very good, and show that platforming is still well and alive even in 2009.

Where you failed first is of course you didn't actually take down New Super Mario Bros Wii but simply boasted some of the features of Splosion Man. It's called a suppressed information fallacy and indeed illogical. If the author had thought on an analytical level rather than a purely biased one, they could have given a fair comparison.

I'm all for thinking that games get overhyped and overrated but none of that was proven here. Splosion man offers 4 player online co-op, but it is also plagued by lag. Splosion Man offers 100 levels, but none are even close to the same length as that of the NSMB Wii levels. Splosion Man is more original, simply becuase it is a new IP, but it doesn't mean that the game is actually a better one.

Sure if you simply find everything that Splosion Man has over NSMB Wii you can make it sound like you've actually stated something true. But all you've done is stated something completely illogical. You could have discussed which had better level design (key in platformers), which was more enjoyable, which had more replay value, which multi player worked better or more fun, etc. You could have gone over actual evidence and given a fair comparison but ya didn't.

It is because of that I can label this editorial as lazy. How ironic. Actually a lot of these so called articles IGN has written lately about all three hardware developers have been rather lately. Been all about shock value of what is being said rather than trying to say something that was well thought out. IGN you are lazy and selling out for hits. How funny."

this was quite good, but not all true, all of the reasons why the game was not all that was in the review, this article was not a review of the game, but more like a hey this game is actually better, this shoulda been goty article....so yeah...but nice read overall, you bring some good valid points, too bad they wont read it lulz =/