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dib8rman on 15 January 2010

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bmmb1 on 15 January 2010
onishi said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
I quess it sold to much according to IGN.

for the quality of the game...yeah, it also sold too much according to me

Wow and I thought I was the only one that escaped the hypnosis. the I applaud you for speaking truth and perhaps you will get bashed alot and me for agreeing with you. The gamers who love Mario have been somehow under the spell that just about anything with his name is the second coming. Now there is absolutely nothing wrong with the Mario franchise, especially the 2D platforming games. Yes Mario is fun, there is no denying that, but I hate to admit after Super Mario Bros. 3, it has begun to lose its magic to me and perhaps a few others. Yes I had the privelage to play Splosion man, and it has got to be one of the funnest times on a platformer I've had. This discussion reminds me of an argument I had many years back with my brother when comparing Super Mario World to an unknown Sega gem called Kid Chameleon. Funny enough when he finally played it he said hats off to the game that can finally dethrone Mario. The sad reality is much different and it doesn't only apply to Mario but several other games. COD series is an example, along with Zelda and Final Fantasy, among others. All are great series that have earned their rightful place in the pantheon of great games, but people adamantly refuse that there are in fact better games out there that may not have such a household name. I just wish people would give lots of other games a try and stop being close minded. Hell Vagrant Story pretty much blew every Final Fantasy game out the water for me (pretty much matched and surpassed VI). I just hope people give so many other games a chance one day and don't get blinded by the extreme bias I am starting to notice in my short time here. 

I have no problem with either people that love NSMBWii to death nor people who don't like it. To each his own. I am offended though when people consider their opinion to be "the truth", thus implying everyone else is a fanboy/blind/lying (to others or themselves). No radiantshadow wasn't speaking "the truth", he was speaking his opinion, which is perfectly valid.



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Maynard_Tool on 15 January 2010
radiantshadow92 said:
Arius Dion said:
onishi said:
Arius Dion said:
Who didn't see this coming after Nintendo and specifically this game destroyed the competition in the NPD.

They're a little late actually, I expected this last night.

That he may have gone about it in a more unprofessional way, there is no question about that. But you seem to disregard some points that may have certain validity to them. Just because there is a good possibility that your beloved Mario MAY be a Slightly inferior platformer doesn't mean that it's about "OMG IT SELLS TO MUCH SO IT HAS TO GET HATE!" Hell I can accept that there may be games out there or at least will be, that surpass Uncharted 2 in that genre. True at the end of the day it's about personal taste but that doesn't mean that you should disregard other great games just because the mustached hero is the main character. It is that mindset which allows all of us to experience many gems. Hell if it wasn't for me giving other games a chance and keeping an open mind, I would have never ended up playing Legend of Legaia (loved it), or Einhander (a shmup made by Squaresoft? no way!). Lets try to remain civil with eachother and give other games a shot. That doesn't mean Mario will get jealous or stop making games because you try other games. Lets all keep the one thing we have in common in order to connect in a positive way: gaming. Have a good evening (or day if your in EU).

I happen to love the game. So his points arer pretty much wasted on me. But he seems to be asserting that people like myself who love the game are somewhat ignorant, naive, and blind and were schemed by Nintendo's big shiny red box with bright colors and aren't sophisticated enough to understand we've been flim flammed and bamboozeled. All I was pointing out was that as a Wii fan this isn't anything new anymore and is to be expected. Every time Nintendo (Wii specifically) has acheived or broken a record these type of articles appear, it is not coincidence. And it is obviously for hits. It is unprofessionally done and I really see no point in contributing much to the theater that goes on around articles such as this.

But you do have a good point that's been made: Many times hype & name alone gives games a free pass. This is no more evident than the IGN reviews of GTA4. I think some of the hate from IGN comes from the fact that the Wii audience doesn't "listen" to them. They gave MKWii what an 8.5? or something yet that game goes on to sell over 20m. But I digress. Yes, many big name games get these ridiculously high scores simply because they are the next games in a beloved series..they seem to be sacred cows..and I think what you were trying to say is that one should not have any sacred cows, and if that is indeed what you were saying I agree wholeheartedly.

But I don't agree that NSMB is a mediocre game. 

i also dont agree that nsmb is a mediocre game, i am just saying that it doesnt deserve the sales based on it quality, but yes, people are blind to mario and the fact that its a household name, just like gran turismo, and ff, and zelda, and mgs, if they put it on the cover people will buy it...now whether the game is deserving of the sales is up to the developer and how good they make the game....btw its not true that ign will give ninty games a low score, they gave conduit an 8.x and galaxy like a high 9....zelda a 9.5 and prime a 9.5....these games were deserving of every sale and rating they got, now nsmb got a 8.9 which i agree on, but really does it deserve 35252345234523 billion sales? is it the best platformer? is it the best goty? is it the best game ever? just like MKWII, why should MKWII get 321522352 sales when modnation racers (assuming its the better game) will get 3-4 million sales tops....

Like a Mexican soccer comentator would say in this cases:

 

"Ah no bueno, INFAME. Que le paso a radiantshadow92 ?"

 

There is just no point on going. I guess you are just trying to get Vg$. Love your modnation racers comment BTW ;)



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Stats87 on 15 January 2010

Having played NSMB Wii and nearly beaten it over the holidays, (it was my brothers and he headed back home to Toronto) I'm inclined to agree somewhat, in the sense that it seems good Nintendo games of recent are anointed as great if Mario is involved. It was a similar thing with Galaxy, which I enjoyed, but didn't understand all the love and uber-high scores it received. To each his own I guess. It's not like I'm anti-mario/nintendo anything, as Super Mario World remains one of my favorite games ever.

NSMB Wii is a fun game, but I can't help but feel that Nintendo is capable of a lot more with the franchise. If I have 3 friends over and I'm given a choice, I'd much rather play LBP.


EDIT: Although, you could relate what I'm discussing to most big franchises, such as Final Fantasy. It gets Millions of sales regardless, whereas other great JRPG's haven't come close to its sales.



Lolcislaw on 15 January 2010
radiantshadow92 said:
Arius Dion said:
onishi said:
Arius Dion said:
Who didn't see this coming after Nintendo and specifically this game destroyed the competition in the NPD.

They're a little late actually, I expected this last night.

That he may have gone about it in a more unprofessional way, there is no question about that. But you seem to disregard some points that may have certain validity to them. Just because there is a good possibility that your beloved Mario MAY be a Slightly inferior platformer doesn't mean that it's about "OMG IT SELLS TO MUCH SO IT HAS TO GET HATE!" Hell I can accept that there may be games out there or at least will be, that surpass Uncharted 2 in that genre. True at the end of the day it's about personal taste but that doesn't mean that you should disregard other great games just because the mustached hero is the main character. It is that mindset which allows all of us to experience many gems. Hell if it wasn't for me giving other games a chance and keeping an open mind, I would have never ended up playing Legend of Legaia (loved it), or Einhander (a shmup made by Squaresoft? no way!). Lets try to remain civil with eachother and give other games a shot. That doesn't mean Mario will get jealous or stop making games because you try other games. Lets all keep the one thing we have in common in order to connect in a positive way: gaming. Have a good evening (or day if your in EU).

I happen to love the game. So his points arer pretty much wasted on me. But he seems to be asserting that people like myself who love the game are somewhat ignorant, naive, and blind and were schemed by Nintendo's big shiny red box with bright colors and aren't sophisticated enough to understand we've been flim flammed and bamboozeled. All I was pointing out was that as a Wii fan this isn't anything new anymore and is to be expected. Every time Nintendo (Wii specifically) has acheived or broken a record these type of articles appear, it is not coincidence. And it is obviously for hits. It is unprofessionally done and I really see no point in contributing much to the theater that goes on around articles such as this.

But you do have a good point that's been made: Many times hype & name alone gives games a free pass. This is no more evident than the IGN reviews of GTA4. I think some of the hate from IGN comes from the fact that the Wii audience doesn't "listen" to them. They gave MKWii what an 8.5? or something yet that game goes on to sell over 20m. But I digress. Yes, many big name games get these ridiculously high scores simply because they are the next games in a beloved series..they seem to be sacred cows..and I think what you were trying to say is that one should not have any sacred cows, and if that is indeed what you were saying I agree wholeheartedly.

But I don't agree that NSMB is a mediocre game. 

i also dont agree that nsmb is a mediocre game, i am just saying that it doesnt deserve the sales based on it quality, but yes, people are blind to mario and the fact that its a household name, just like gran turismo, and ff, and zelda, and mgs, if they put it on the cover people will buy it...now whether the game is deserving of the sales is up to the developer and how good they make the game....btw its not true that ign will give ninty games a low score, they gave conduit an 8.x and galaxy like a high 9....zelda a 9.5 and prime a 9.5....these games were deserving of every sale and rating they got, now nsmb got a 8.9 which i agree on, but really does it deserve 35252345234523 billion sales? is it the best platformer? is it the best goty? is it the best game ever? just like MKWII, why should MKWII get 321522352 sales when modnation racers (assuming its the better game) will get 3-4 million sales tops....

What's the point of arguint that game X or Y deserves better sales? Arguing is not going to alter reality. IGN can say that other platformer is superior to NSMB but it hurts them that they arent able to influence the market, or that the game they like is not getting sales. IGN tries to offend people that have different taste than them.

Sometimes so called "Quality" is not what consumers want , they want simple products appealing to them.  Is anyone complaining that CoD sold so much (because after all it is just another shooter, released every year, no)  its just IGN loves bashing Nintendo with no reason using silly arguments like "Nintendo are Lazy" i mean if they want to make a case they should really think it through. 

Quality is a matter of taste, its not measurable by sales or some sort of scores. 



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HappySqurriel on 15 January 2010

The New Super Mario Bros. Wii may not have its sales justified based on quality or originality in comparison to other Mario games, but its distinctness in the market and lack of competition really helps it out. If there was only a handful of FPS games released in a year I’m certain that when the newest instalment of the longest running and highest quality series would sell amazingly well.



radiantshadow92 on 15 January 2010
Maynard_Tool said:

radiantshadow92 whats ur deal?? Why do you have to attack people that say this is a shitty article (b/c it is) Why do you have to keep saying (around 20 times now) that you agree with the IGN writer? We got it the first time....

If you agree with the article and you liked it, that's fine. The article sucks. The guy is clearly butthurt (for w/e reason) and he doesn't even give a good point like you said. He goes on to say all this BS.

Who is this guy to decide that Mario is less fun than X game? If the game has already sold 10 million copies is for a reason... that's what people like. If people like the same game over and over with little change, what's the problem? If people loved NSMB DS, and they love NSMBWii... what's the problem with that? I often saw on IGN that Nintendo is keeping the same formula, that they needed to change it... but then, on the GoWII review, they say "is the same as GoW... but, why are they going to change something that doesn't need to be change? It's fine as it is"
Well.... why are they going to change something that works? Same with the ps3 controller... is the exact same thing as the ps1 and ps2 controller, do they need to change it? Not really.

Ign is so full of it... they say something one day, and at the next day they just give a total different opinion just b/c they want to hate on the wii.... it is what it is. Maybe NSMBWii didn't add too much, but more than 10 million people have already bought the game, so Nintendo knows what people want =)

my deal is that i do agree with the editorial, and i am not attacking anyone, i am just defending the article because i believe it makes a good point, it doesnt matter if the mario game is the funnest game in the world, it still lacks in the fact that ninty played it safe....im not attacking anyone but making a stand on my point and backing it up...its simply debating nothing more, i dont think i offended anyone or attacked them in any way...but everyone is def. attacking the article, which happens to have a point i agree with....tell me...if you posted an article you agreed with, and everyone called it shxt and didnt agree with it at all, would you not try and defend it? yeah they ninty knows what people want and they abuse it with games like nsmb imo



radiantshadow92 on 15 January 2010
Lolcislaw said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Arius Dion said:
onishi said:
Arius Dion said:
Who didn't see this coming after Nintendo and specifically this game destroyed the competition in the NPD.

They're a little late actually, I expected this last night.

That he may have gone about it in a more unprofessional way, there is no question about that. But you seem to disregard some points that may have certain validity to them. Just because there is a good possibility that your beloved Mario MAY be a Slightly inferior platformer doesn't mean that it's about "OMG IT SELLS TO MUCH SO IT HAS TO GET HATE!" Hell I can accept that there may be games out there or at least will be, that surpass Uncharted 2 in that genre. True at the end of the day it's about personal taste but that doesn't mean that you should disregard other great games just because the mustached hero is the main character. It is that mindset which allows all of us to experience many gems. Hell if it wasn't for me giving other games a chance and keeping an open mind, I would have never ended up playing Legend of Legaia (loved it), or Einhander (a shmup made by Squaresoft? no way!). Lets try to remain civil with eachother and give other games a shot. That doesn't mean Mario will get jealous or stop making games because you try other games. Lets all keep the one thing we have in common in order to connect in a positive way: gaming. Have a good evening (or day if your in EU).

I happen to love the game. So his points arer pretty much wasted on me. But he seems to be asserting that people like myself who love the game are somewhat ignorant, naive, and blind and were schemed by Nintendo's big shiny red box with bright colors and aren't sophisticated enough to understand we've been flim flammed and bamboozeled. All I was pointing out was that as a Wii fan this isn't anything new anymore and is to be expected. Every time Nintendo (Wii specifically) has acheived or broken a record these type of articles appear, it is not coincidence. And it is obviously for hits. It is unprofessionally done and I really see no point in contributing much to the theater that goes on around articles such as this.

But you do have a good point that's been made: Many times hype & name alone gives games a free pass. This is no more evident than the IGN reviews of GTA4. I think some of the hate from IGN comes from the fa ct that the Wii audience doesn't "listen" to them. They gave MKWii what an 8.5? or something yet that game goes on to sell over 20m. But I digress. Yes, many big name games get these ridiculously high scores simply because they are the next games in a beloved series..they seem to be sacred cows..and I think what you were trying to say is that one should not have any sacred cows, and if that is indeed what you were saying I agree wholeheartedly.

But I don't agree that NSMB is a mediocre game. 

i also dont agree that nsmb is a mediocre game, i am just saying that it doesnt deserve the sales based on it quality, but yes, people are blind to mario and the fact that its a household name, just like gran turismo, and ff, and zelda, and mgs, if they put it on the cover people will buy it...now whether the game is deserving of the sales is up to the developer and how good they make the game....btw its not true that ign will give ninty games a low score, they gave conduit an 8.x and galaxy like a high 9....zelda a 9.5 and prime a 9.5....these games were deserving of every sale and rating they got, now nsmb got a 8.9 which i agree on, but really does it deserve 35252345234523 billion sales? is it the best platformer? is it the best goty? is it the best game ever? just like MKWII, why should MKWII get 321522352 sales when modnation racers (assuming its the better game) will get 3-4 million sales tops....

What's the point of arguint that game X or Y deserves better sales? Arguing is not going to alter reality. IGN can say that other platformer is superior to NSMB but it hurts them that they arent able to influence the market, or that the game they like is not getting sales. IGN tries to offend people that have different taste than them.

Sometimes so called "Quality" is not what consumers want , they want simple products appealing to them.  Is anyone complaining that CoD sold so much (because after all it is just another shooter, released every year, no)  its just IGN loves bashing Nintendo with no reason using silly arguments like "Nintendo are Lazy" i mean if they want to make a case they should really think it through. 

Quality is a matter of taste, its not measurable by sales or some sort of scores. 

umm actually i complain of how COD sold so much and it didnt deserve it, and acutally ign editors too know this, they gave the game a 9.5, but they sure as hell know that it doesnt deserve all the sales and that the single player isnt all that good, but atleast they do have the best online multiplayer anyone can think of (except mabye halo)



ClaudeLv250 on 15 January 2010
radiantshadow92 said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Khuutra said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Khuutra said:

That quote tree was becoming a war crime.

No, Kasz was the one originally making a point here, and if you wan to argue with him you have ot address his point. Professionalism in the relaying of one's opinion does affect perceived validity for many people, myself included. The man isn't writing an editiorial. He's having a breakdown. I'm embarrassed for him, because the language and vindictiveness on display here is not something that a grown man should be showing in public about anything, least of all video games, and in that case least of all because a game is selling better than he wants it to.

He's complaining that people like New Super Mario Bros. Wii too much. And he's doing it in a completely unrelatable way.

hes saying its selling TOO MUCH FOR ITS QUALITY AND WORK INPUT....he relating the game to another game that in his opinion should be regarded as a higher platformer.....i know his point, hes saying that daemon had no professionalism, he was expressing himself as writer, even if he has no professionalism, he still makes a valid point which is professional enough for me

You agreeing with him does not mean he's writing professionally. That's not how professionalism works.

you are once again missing the point, i could care less if he was professional, he still makes good points....you know what fine, HIS ARTICLE WAS NOT PROFESSIONAL...are you happy? does that make you happy? that the ign writer was not professional enough for you....or does it make you sad that he actually makes a good point which happens to be that a mario game is not all that?

Part of the reason it's not professional is because he actually doesn't make any good points. It's not very good and it's not very professional.

 

whether he makes good points or not is subjective....he makes plenty of good points imo, like the fact that nsmb has no online, or that ninty didnt make any big jumps, or that the game has 4 characters, idk about you but he made plenty good points, some were off, but either way they are his points, and they are valid

No, it's not subjective. He didn't make any good points. "Because online" doesn't mean anything. If the online isn't good then there is nothing to brag about, but the actual inclusion or removal of online doesn't determine quality so much as the actual implementation.



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radiantshadow92 on 15 January 2010
Stats87 said:

Having played NSMB Wii and nearly beaten it over the holidays, (it was my brothers and he headed back home to Toronto) I'm inclined to agree somewhat, in the sense that it seems good Nintendo games of recent are anointed as great if Mario is involved. It was a similar thing with Galaxy, which I enjoyed, but didn't understand all the love and uber-high scores it received. To each his own I guess. It's not like I'm anti-mario/nintendo anything, as Super Mario World remains one of my favorite games ever.

NSMB Wii is a fun game, but I can't help but feel that Nintendo is capable of a lot more with the franchise. If I have 3 friends over and I'm given a choice, I'd much rather play LBP.


EDIT: Although, you could relate what I'm discussing to most big franchises, such as Final Fantasy. It gets Millions of sales regardless, whereas other great JRPG's haven't come close to its sales.

exactly