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Johann said:

Because it sells the most 3rd party games!

How can a console be selling the most 3rd party games and not be getting the most support?


There is a bigger market out there for Wii games. Market results != market support. That's like saying the fact that the Apple iPod had the support of the music industry because it was selling the most music. Hint, it didn't.



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Johann said:
Demotruk said:
Johann said:

But it does get 3rd party support. And that's my point.

So the HD consoles get their 3rd party support and the Wii gets its 3rd party support (which according to charts, sells more).

See? 3rd party software all around. The market remains competitive. Isn't that good?

 

Now if like Khuutra said, you want the same kind of support the HD consoles have, you should... I don't know, buy one?

Go back and look at the list of 09 games from third parties in this thread, and tell me they put the same sort of effort into Wii games as they do the HD consoles. The fact that there are the rare exception does not mean that the Wii gets strong support. Support is not just measured in the number of games you get, nor is it measured in the resultant sales of said exceptions. It's measured in effort and investment.

See I just don't accept that.

I'm gonna repeat this again: IT SELLS MORE 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE than the other consoles. It gets support. Granted it might not be the kind of support YOU want, but it does get support!

Taking away support from the HD consoles right now would mean that you want the console that's already kicking ass to kick ass even harder! That would not be good! Competition is good for the market. Every console should get 3rd party support.

 

If the Wii was only selling 1st party titles and ALL the 3rd party support were going to the HD consoles, I would see your point. But that's not what's happening.

I find that argument funny, because people usually didn't have a problem with PS2 almost monopolizing the industry.



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fwap said:
Nintendo doesn't need these third-parties.

These third-parties need Nintendo.

obviously not, duh.  nintendo don't need them, and they don't need nintendo.



Who cares?

It'll force Nintendo to release more games.

3rd parties biggest problem is the replayability of Nintendo's titles, they can't do it. They should be thanking Nintendo for not adding online to Mario 5 and shitting bricks at the thought of a remastered Mario Allstars with fully working online mulitplayer.

I'm not buying anything from 3rd parties anymore unless it has motion plus with the exception of a 2d sonic with 4 player local. I'll enjoy throwing that little blue rat into some enemies.



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Nintendo DO need third parties, they can just make a certain amount of games a year and need all diversity as possible. In fact, part of Wii success is thanks to third party games.

With that said, if Big third party companies do not want to invest on it (with good games and good advertisement), then it's a huge opportunity for small studios to capitalize. Suda 51 may have a huge opportunity with No More Heroes 2, High Voltage with the Grinder and so on.



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Soma said:
Nintendo DO need third parties, they can just make a certain amount of games a year and need all diversity as possible. In fact, part of Wii success is thanks to third party games.

With that said, if Big third party companies do not want to invest on it (with good games and good advertisement), then it's a huge opportunity for small studios to capitalize. Suda 51 may have a huge opportunity with No More Heroes 2, High Voltage with the Grinder and so on.

Back in the NES era there was a big changeover with older, bigger games companies dying because the smaller ones were quicker to take advantage of the NES success. There's an Atari (I think) ad on Youtube from the era with a bunch of third party developers saying how great the console was, the names are completely unrecognisable now. So there is precedent. Unfortunately it's probably harder these days because the barriers to even Wii development are much much higher than the barriers to NES development.



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Anyway, I think we should all stop worrying about this for now. 2010 is shaping up to be a great, no, amazing year. We've got lots of games to look forward to--some Nintendo, others 3rd-party (some from last year). Whether 3rd party support will dwindle or not depends upon how these games sell, but in the meantime, I feel that doom & gloom threads like this are a complete waste of time, period.



@Demotrunk:

Market sales =/= Market support?

How would that work? Where are the sales coming from? What are they buying? If there's no 3rd party support on the Wii, then where are the sales coming from? What are people buying? How are people buying products that don't exist?
If there was no 3rd party support on the Wii, there would be no 3rd party sales simply because... there would be nothing to buy.



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Johann said:
@Demotrunk:

Market sales =/= Market support?

How would that work? Where are the sales coming from? What are they buying? If there's no 3rd party support on the Wii, then where are the sales coming from? What are people buying? How are people buying products that don't exist?
If there was no 3rd party support on the Wii, there would be no 3rd party sales simply because... there would be nothing to buy.

Let's suppose we have two hypothetical consoles, console A and console B. Console A gets 50 high budget games with strong marketing etc. Console B gets 10 cheaply developed games, one of which is called Tetris Game. Tetris Game explodes on the market, vastly outselling the complex, high budget games.

By the standard you judge support, the existence of "Tetris Game" means that console B has the most industry support. But that's absurd, is it not?



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psrock said:
vonboysp said:
psrock said:
Khuutra said:
psrock said:

And they also get some support ($) from MS and Sony which Nintendo won't ever do. Nintendo is not the nicest company to deal with either.

This isn't really fair. Nintendo not moneyhatting shouldn't be taken as a negative, because it shouldn't be expected

I never meant it to be negative, just being realsitic. A lot of company are stuck in the PS2 era, and they are not used no being the showcase as they were in the PS2. Third were the highlight and the best selling games, they made money putting out anything, it's not the same anymore and it's hard to admit for some reason.

They don't give Wii the big games because they would still be second class just because Nintendo games are what Nintendo fans want and like the most. I can't blame them.

Giving the big games to PS3 and 360 espacially in the West, makes them the top dog, the best selling games and they like that attention.


if they'd rather get attention then make a profit, fine by me.

Activision made 1 billion dollars in 2 months from one game, if they don't make a profit, we need to investigate.

The game generated 1 billion revenue, not all of that is money they "made", you gotta take out that 200 million ad campaign they touted first, then shipping, production, retail cut, development costs, taxes, etc etc...



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