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Khuutra said:
psrock said:

And they also get some support ($) from MS and Sony which Nintendo won't ever do. Nintendo is not the nicest company to deal with either.

This isn't really fair. Nintendo not moneyhatting shouldn't be taken as a negative, because it shouldn't be expected

I never meant it to be negative, just being realsitic. A lot of company are stuck in the PS2 era, and they are not used no being the showcase as they were in the PS2. Third were the highlight and the best selling games, they made money putting out anything, it's not the same anymore and it's hard to admit for some reason.

They don't give Wii the big games because they would still be second class just because Nintendo games are what Nintendo fans want and like the most. I can't blame them.

Giving the big games to PS3 and 360 espacially in the West, makes them the top dog, the best selling games and they like that attention.



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psrock said:

And they also get some support ($) from MS and Sony which Nintendo won't ever do. Nintendo is not the nicest company to deal with either.

Nor should they. It'd be like David putting on armour in order to defeat Goliath.



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psrock said:
Khuutra said:
psrock said:

And they also get some support ($) from MS and Sony which Nintendo won't ever do. Nintendo is not the nicest company to deal with either.

This isn't really fair. Nintendo not moneyhatting shouldn't be taken as a negative, because it shouldn't be expected

I never meant it to be negative, just being realsitic. A lot of company are stuck in the PS2 era, and they are not used no being the showcase as they were in the PS2. Third were the highlight and the best selling games, they made money putting out anything, it's not the same anymore and it's hard to admit for some reason.

They don't give Wii the big games because they would still be second class just because Nintendo games are what Nintendo fans want and like the most. I can't blame them.

Giving the big games to PS3 and 360 espacially in the West, makes them the top dog, the best selling games and they like that attention.


if they'd rather get attention then make a profit, fine by me.



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OK, here's what I think is gonna happen from some major third-party publishers:

CAPCOM: They said they were scaling back. They didn't say they were dropping Wii support. They've still got TvC, MH3. And, from the looks of it, both are going to be advertised.

KONAMI: Well, they DID give us some high quality "Rebirths" via WiiWare, and they DID give a solid SILENT HILL SHATTERED MEMORIES (which seems to be doing decent if unspectacular sales). I don't see these guys going away.

SQUARE-ENIX: Hard to say. Their development support has been quite erratic over the years. They did release CRYSTAL BEARERS this year, but that title split audiences. They're still onboard for DQX, though, so I don't see them going away.

SEGA: They may have said no more M-rated games, but they're not dropping Wii either. They're just "scaling back".

E-A: Iffy, because I don't know about them.

NAMCO: They've done Tales of Graces for Wii. What else will happen from them remains to be seen.


So while I DO see some scaling back in terms of Wii development from third-parties, I don't see it going away altogether; there's quite a bit of games coming this year from 3rd-parties (granted, they were released about over a year ago, but that's better than nothing.)

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It is sad that the 3rd parties have spent so much on Wii development, had huge advertising for their AAA titles and yet they still don't sell like they do on 360/PS3. Oh wait, they haven't done any of those things, they've mostly just released quick cash-in crap.

I could understand 3rd party frustration if they really had made an effort but they haven't. They all thought that their cheap crap would sell millions which they could then use to finance their AAA HD titles. None of the money went back into making good Wii games. If they put the same amount of effort into their 360/PS3 titles then they would see the exact same result - bad sales. I dare the likes of EA to announce that something like Dead Space 2 will be on-rails for 360/PS3 and then see what kind of sales it gets.

I have yet to see a single high quality 3rd party game that has been advertised. The only games that I have seen are The Conduit and FFCC: Crystal Bearers, both of which got less than glowing reviews. If somebody released a game that was actually good and heavily promoted it then I believe that it would sell in just the same way as the massively overhyped 360/PS3 titles do.

All the 3rd party whining has done is make me think that these companies are run by total morons who have zero business sense. It would serve them right if they all went bankrupt.



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Demotruk said:
Johann said:

See I just don't accept that.

I'm gonna repeat this again: IT SELLS MORE 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE than the other consoles. It gets support. Granted it might not be the kind of support YOU want, but it does get support!

Taking away support from the HD consoles right now would mean that you want the console that's already kicking ass to kick ass even harder! That would not be good! Competition is good for the market. Every console should get 3rd party support.

If the Wii was only selling 1st party titles and ALL the 3rd party support were going to the HD consoles, I would see your point. But that's not what's happening.

What is the support you are talking about? Carnival Games and Cabela's Big Game Hunt? I'm quite glad of that support, those are healthy to have. But explain to me how the occassional break out of a well made but inexpensive game means that Wii gets the most support? The vast majority of the games are turds, they're idiotic games that made by people who think they just have to make a mini game collection with a cute theme and they'll profit. That or clone one of Nintendo's games, without even keeping the quality.

Because it sells the most 3rd party games!

How can a console be selling the most 3rd party games and not be getting the most support?

 



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vonboysp said:
psrock said:
Khuutra said:
psrock said:

And they also get some support ($) from MS and Sony which Nintendo won't ever do. Nintendo is not the nicest company to deal with either.

This isn't really fair. Nintendo not moneyhatting shouldn't be taken as a negative, because it shouldn't be expected

I never meant it to be negative, just being realsitic. A lot of company are stuck in the PS2 era, and they are not used no being the showcase as they were in the PS2. Third were the highlight and the best selling games, they made money putting out anything, it's not the same anymore and it's hard to admit for some reason.

They don't give Wii the big games because they would still be second class just because Nintendo games are what Nintendo fans want and like the most. I can't blame them.

Giving the big games to PS3 and 360 espacially in the West, makes them the top dog, the best selling games and they like that attention.


if they'd rather get attention then make a profit, fine by me.

Activision made 1 billion dollars in 2 months from one game, if they don't make a profit, we need to investigate.



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Johann said:
Demotruk said:

What is the support you are talking about? Carnival Games and Cabela's Big Game Hunt? I'm quite glad of that support, those are healthy to have. But explain to me how the occassional break out of a well made but inexpensive game means that Wii gets the most support? The vast majority of the games are turds, they're idiotic games that made by people who think they just have to make a mini game collection with a cute theme and they'll profit. That or clone one of Nintendo's games, without even keeping the quality.

Because it sells the most 3rd party games!

How can a console be selling the most 3rd party games and not be getting the most support?

Hrm

Well if one defines "support" in terms of amount of money invested then Wii isn't getting the most support, just the most sales



raisinghelen said:
It is sad that the 3rd parties have spent so much on Wii development, had huge advertising for their AAA titles and yet they still don't sell like they do on 360/PS3. Oh wait, they haven't done any of those things, they've mostly just released quick cash-in crap.

I could understand 3rd party frustration if they really had made an effort but they haven't. They all thought that their cheap crap would sell millions which they could then use to finance their AAA HD titles. None of the money went back into making good Wii games. If they put the same amount of effort into their 360/PS3 titles then they would see the exact same result - bad sales. I dare the likes of EA to announce that something like Dead Space 2 will be on-rails for 360/PS3 and then see what kind of sales it gets.

I have yet to see a single high quality 3rd party game that has been advertised. The only games that I have seen are The Conduit and FFCC: Crystal Bearers, both of which got less than glowing reviews. If somebody released a game that was actually good and heavily promoted it then I believe that it would sell just in just the same way as the massively overhyped 360/PS3 titles do.

All the 3rd party whining has done is make me think that these companies are run by total morons who have zero business sense. It would serve them right if they all went bankrupt.

I don't know if that will happen to EVERY 3rd-party publisher, but I do agree they need to step up their game.

I wouldn't say CONDUIT and CRYSTAL BEARERS received "less than glowing" reviews, but there WERE a lot of divided opinions about both games.  Surprisingly, though, SILENT HILL SHATTERED MEMORIES didn't get much in the way of advertising and it seems to be doing OK (that is to say, on par with SILENT HILL entries, if not spectacularly so.)



NJ5 said:
routsounmanman said:
psrock said:
It's just stupid to ignore the fastest selling console ever. It's the choice of the people, the mainstream. Company SHOULD DO ANYTHING to get a piece of all that money Nintendo is making. They wont leave it alone, 67 million userbase is a goldmine.

Precisely. Even if the cores aren't there, you MAKE them migrate! You just cannot ignore such an istalled base! Instead, most companies insult their own target audience, they put out "tests" or crappy games, then accuse the platform of being incapable / inhospitable >_>

But they are there...

For example, why didn't capcom make RE5 for the Wii? Certainly not because the demographics aren't there, as evidence by RE4:Wii's sales. If anything it was about graphics and the developer's wishes.

This is why I don't think it's about sales or demographics, for most publishers at least.

 

I'm not so sure anymore...

Third parties have screwed up so badly with the Wii, it's impossible to recover. Most people nowadays don't even care about the games the Wii gets, especially multiplatform owners. They're being bombarded by a constant wave of quality titles like Batman, Uncharted 2, Demon's Souls, MW2, etc. 

In my humble opinion, third parties SHOULD focus solely on HD, and only on tried IPs like CoD, Assassin's Creed, Madden, Pro Evo, etc. Nintendo will be fine, and if I were running that company, I'd have frankly blocked out all but quality support from 3rd parties. You want a piece of the cake? Give us RE6, not Ada's Chronicles : The turd. They are in a position to do it, and it wouldn't hurt them a bit.