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ManusJustus on 20 January 2010
mrstickball said:
I don't think Manus pays attention to the actual bills proposed, Mafoo.

Status Quo - The existing condition or state of affairs

I dont think you pay attention to the English language.  What Republicans want to do is no different than what we have now and would not improve conditions.  Maybe conservatives can pray to their make believe god when they are sick and stay away from healthcare altogether.



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mrstickball on 20 January 2010
ManusJustus said:
mrstickball said:
I don't think Manus pays attention to the actual bills proposed, Mafoo.

Status Quo - The existing condition or state of affairs

I dont think you pay attention to the English language.  What Republicans want to do is no different than what we have now and would not improve conditions.  Maybe conservatives can pray to their make believe god when they are sick and stay away from healthcare altogether.

Republicans don't want status quo. They want a health bill. However, they want their health bill. That isn't status quo. That means they are voting against Democratic bills because they don't like the language in the 2,000 page bills.

I've posted time and time again about bills that Republicans have offered and back that would re-vamp the healthcare system. Every time I do this, you either don't respond to my post, or selectively discuss points that only fit your interpretation of what republicans want to do.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/52896

There. That is a grand total of three bills the Republicans have offered in contrast to what has been proposed by the Democrats. If the Republcians wanted status quo, they should have a total of zero, should they not?

Here is the central bill which was proposed in November:

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/05/nation/na-health-gop5

How is that bill considered being the status quo?

How many bills do the republcians need to propose for you not to consider their goals on healthcare reform status quo?



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

badgenome on 20 January 2010
mrstickball said:
I don't think Manus pays attention to the actual bills proposed, Mafoo.

He doesn't.



Sqrl on 20 January 2010

@Manus,

How is it on healthcare that the political left has absolutely no idea about what the right actually wants, while the right knows the details of the left's plans...and yet the right are the ones being the unreasoning uneducated obstructionists who need to die (according to you) in order for progress to be made?

Perhaps you should take the time to familiarize yourself with the opposition and what they actually support before throwing up your hands in disgust at them?

There has ALWAYS been middle ground on health-care reform but the fact is that even the moderate democrats were locked out of the crafting of the bill.

Oh and let us not forget that up until Brown was elected the democrats COMPLETELY controlled the legislative process and no amount of GoP Obstruction meant a damn thing. It was other democrats blocking the bill. It is delusional to say that the GoP was blocking the bill when the Dems had full control and still couldn't get it passed over 10 months of negotiating, pandering, bribing, etc...
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megaman79 on 20 January 2010
Sqrl said:


There has ALWAYS been middle ground on health-care reform but the fact is that even the moderate democrats were locked out of the crafting of the bill.

Oh and let us not forget that up until Brown was elected the democrats COMPLETELY controlled the legislative process and no amount of GoP Obstruction meant a damn thing. It was other democrats blocking the bill.

I think moderate Democrats had alot of say. Hence there being so much "assistance" for the private insurers, etc. You can't possibly put that on the progressives, especially as it has taken away money from the public option.



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Sqrl on 21 January 2010
megaman79 said:
Sqrl said:


There has ALWAYS been middle ground on health-care reform but the fact is that even the moderate democrats were locked out of the crafting of the bill.

Oh and let us not forget that up until Brown was elected the democrats COMPLETELY controlled the legislative process and no amount of GoP Obstruction meant a damn thing. It was other democrats blocking the bill.

I think moderate Democrats had alot of say. Hence there being so much "assistance" for the private insurers, etc. You can't possibly put that on the progressives, especially as it has taken away money from the public option.

The point about moderates not being involved at all is specifically about the crafting of the bill.

That Reid and Pelosi are now begrudingly caving to demands from the moderates after the bill has been written clearly doesn't make it a moderate bill all by itself.  It is still a heavily liberal bill that was carved up to make it so moderates can hold their nose and vote for it. 

But all of that misses the point I was really making, that democrats, not the GoP, have been blocking the bill.  The truth is that opposition has been FAR more bipartisan than the actual attempts to create a bill.
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