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makingmusic476 on 14 January 2010

Nintendo's press release:

NINTENDO FINISHES 2009 WITH MULTIPLE SALES RECORDS

Wii Has the Best Month in Video Game History, Nintendo DS Has the Best Calendar Year of All Time

Jan. 14, 2010

A holiday shopping frenzy helped both of Nintendo's video game systems make history: Nintendo's Wii™ home system sold more than 3.8 million units in December, a new all-time single-month U.S. sales record. The Nintendo DS™ Lite and Nintendo DSi™ hand-held systems combined to sell more than 3.3 million, the second biggest month in U.S. history.

Those strong December numbers helped propel the Nintendo DS franchise to more than 11.2 million sold in 2009, a new U.S. calendar-year sales record for any video game system – ever. The Wii console finished 2009 with 9.6 million sold. Of all the Wii consoles ever sold in the United States since its November 2006 launch, nearly one-fifth (18.7 percent) were sold during November and December 2009.

"Wii, Nintendo DS Lite and Nintendo DSi combined to sell more than 7 million units in the month of December alone," said Cammie Dunaway, Nintendo of America's executive vice president of Sales & Marketing. "Clearly there is overwhelming consumer demand for fun games, motion controls and value. This remarkable hardware sales surge presents a tremendous software opportunity for Nintendo and its third-party partners as we head into 2010."

Lifetime U.S. sales for Wii have now surpassed 27.2 million units. No other home console has ever sold so many so quickly. Lifetime U.S. sales for the Nintendo DS franchise have topped 38.8 million units, surpassing lifetime sales of the Game Boy™ Advance franchise.

As always, great software drives hardware sales. In December alone, consumers placed six Nintendo games in the top 10 best-sellers of the month. These include New Super Mario Bros.™ Wii at No. 1 with more than 2.8 million sold, Wii Sports Resort™ at No. 2 with more than 1.7 million sold, Wii Fit™ Plus with the Wii Balance Board™ accessory at No. 3 with more than 1.7 million sold, Wii Play™ at No. 6 with more than 1.0 million sold, Mario Kart™ Wii at No. 7 with more than 936,000 sold and Mario & Luigi™: Bowser's Inside Story for Nintendo DS Lite and Nintendo DSi at No. 10 with more than 656,000 sold.

For all of 2009, Nintendo finished with seven of the top 10 best-selling games of the year. These include New Super Mario Bros. Wii at No. 2 with more than 4.2 million sold, Wii Sports Resort at No. 3 with more than 4.2 million sold, Wii Fit™ at No. 4 with more than 3.5 million sold, Mario Kart Wii at No. 5 with nearly 3.1 million sold, Wii Play at No. 6 with more than 3.1 million sold, Wii Fit Plus™ at No. 8 with more than 2.4 million sold and Pokémon™ Platinum Version at No. 10 with more than 2.0 million sold.

All numbers contained in this document are according to the NPD Group, which tracks U.S. video game sales.

For more information about Nintendo, please visit www.nintendo.com.



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Acevil on 14 January 2010

I was in class when the numbers came out, and saw it on my phone...couldn't post since the lack of cookies on my phone.

Anyways damn, I was doubting vgchartz and everything else when they said 3 million sold +...I still can't believe it.... I really can't



 

Euphoria14 on 14 January 2010
wholikeswood said:
Seeing as VGC has PS3 so much lower than NPD, will we see some form of adjustment in Sony's favour on here, ioi?

ioi said:

In the meantime, most of our 360/PS3 figures are very close from what I've seen and I have no intentions of changing anything until I see what figures Nintendo report in their financial reports in a few weeks.



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fastyxx on 14 January 2010
donathos said:

 my reply tends to be "go stuff yourself."  Seriously, save that crap for arguing with your mommy about curfew, please; I prefer grown-up discussion.

Wow.  I'll let the quote speak for itself. 

 

Well played, sir.  Irony is fun.



Can't we all just get along and play our games in peace?

Khuutra on 14 January 2010
makingmusic476 said:

Nintendo's press release:

NINTENDO FINISHES 2009 WITH MULTIPLE SALES RECORDS

Wii Has the Best Month in Video Game History, Nintendo DS Has the Best Calendar Year of All Time

Jan. 14, 2010

A holiday shopping frenzy helped both of Nintendo's video game systems make history: Nintendo's Wii™ home system sold more than 3.8 million units in December, a new all-time single-month U.S. sales record. The Nintendo DS™ Lite and Nintendo DSi™ hand-held systems combined to sell more than 3.3 million, the second biggest month in U.S. history.

Those strong December numbers helped propel the Nintendo DS franchise to more than 11.2 million sold in 2009, a new U.S. calendar-year sales record for any video game system – ever. The Wii console finished 2009 with 9.6 million sold. Of all the Wii consoles ever sold in the United States since its November 2006 launch, nearly one-fifth (18.7 percent) were sold during November and December 2009.

"Wii, Nintendo DS Lite and Nintendo DSi combined to sell more than 7 million units in the month of December alone," said Cammie Dunaway, Nintendo of America's executive vice president of Sales & Marketing. "Clearly there is overwhelming consumer demand for fun games, motion controls and value. This remarkable hardware sales surge presents a tremendous software opportunity for Nintendo and its third-party partners as we head into 2010."

Lifetime U.S. sales for Wii have now surpassed 27.2 million units. No other home console has ever sold so many so quickly. Lifetime U.S. sales for the Nintendo DS franchise have topped 38.8 million units, surpassing lifetime sales of the Game Boy™ Advance franchise.

As always, great software drives hardware sales. In December alone, consumers placed six Nintendo games in the top 10 best-sellers of the month. These include New Super Mario Bros.™ Wii at No. 1 with more than 2.8 million sold, Wii Sports Resort™ at No. 2 with more than 1.7 million sold, Wii Fit™ Plus with the Wii Balance Board™ accessory at No. 3 with more than 1.7 million sold, Wii Play™ at No. 6 with more than 1.0 million sold, Mario Kart™ Wii at No. 7 with more than 936,000 sold and Mario & Luigi™: Bowser's Inside Story for Nintendo DS Lite and Nintendo DSi at No. 10 with more than 656,000 sold.

For all of 2009, Nintendo finished with seven of the top 10 best-selling games of the year. These include New Super Mario Bros. Wii at No. 2 with more than 4.2 million sold, Wii Sports Resort at No. 3 with more than 4.2 million sold, Wii Fit™ at No. 4 with more than 3.5 million sold, Mario Kart Wii at No. 5 with nearly 3.1 million sold, Wii Play at No. 6 with more than 3.1 million sold, Wii Fit Plus™ at No. 8 with more than 2.4 million sold and Pokémon™ Platinum Version at No. 10 with more than 2.0 million sold.

All numbers contained in this document are according to the NPD Group, which tracks U.S. video game sales.

For more information about Nintendo, please visit www.nintendo.com.

Yeah

I don't know what to say

One could still wait for financials



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Kasz216 on 14 January 2010
donathos said:
Kasz216 said:
donathos said:
Kasz216 said:
donathos said:


Right.  They're not exact numbers.  But exact numbers, for our purpose, don't exist--NPD, in this month and every other, releases some estimation, based on whatever data they've access to and the formulas they use to extrapolate that data.

If we're going to assign a "winner," or a first, second, and third place... it ultimately has to be based on whatever numbers NPD comes out with, at the end of their calculations.  Do the NPD estimations necessarily match the "reality" of the situation?  If NPD says that PS3 sold more than 360, does that mean it's necessarily so?  Of course not.  But we'll never find out if they're wrong, because nobody seems to be in a better position to tally the sales.

What we *do* know is this: by whatever process NPD uses, for better or worse, PS3 calculated to have a higher number of sales than 360.  And that *is* victory, in this context, because there's no more sophisticated or more precise calculation to appeal to.

Consider: in an election, votes are tallied.  Mistakes are made during these vote tallies, and the final vote counts aren't 100% accurate; there's a margin of error.  And yet, the candidate with the higher vote tally--even if by one solitary vote--is declared the "winner," even if its within whatever margin of error, because that's the only system available to count the votes.

NPD didn't though.  That's the thing... when a tracking firm gives it's numbers... that you take the margin of error is implicit.

Also the fact that real numbers don't exist is why respecting the margin of error is so important.

 

Also no... actual elections don't have a margin of error.  When mistakes are within the margin of error they have recounts and go over disqualfied ballots and they're contested leagally.

Regarding NPD, I'd be more inclined to agree if either they stated their margin of error with their results, as for instance political polls tend to do, or if they released their results as a range of numbers.

But my point is that "victory" here is nothing more than whatever number is higher, according to NPD.  Maybe "victory" ought to be "whatever console actually sold the most units"... but again, we don't have a better way of calculating that, do we?  What I'm contending is that having a higher number according to NPD is the sole criterion for "victory" in this context.  Is it a useless victory?  A pointless victory?  Maybe.  But if we were all well-adjusted people, would we be arguing about console sales in the first place? :)

And regarding elections, sure they do have a margin of error.  Yes, within some percentile there are recounts and legal contests, etc.... and all of those processes have their own margins of error, if you will.  What they won't wind up with, no matter how many recounts are done, is some exact tally of the *actual* votes cast--any attempt on our part to count those votes is going to be a flawed attempt.  But that doesn't stop us from pronouncing a  "winner" (as in, for instance, the 2000 US Presidential election), nor should it.

People who vote incorrectly... do just that.  Vote incorrectly.  It's not the people who count it's fault.

The 2000 US presidential election was fine.

 

Point 2... NPDs numbers are equal statistically.  So you have two numbers which are the same ~1.31= ~1.36


Point 2 There isn't ALWAYS a winner.  This isn't an election...  360 and PS3 don't get anything from an incorrectly placed victory making it even more pointless.  You can claim the PS3 won... you'd still be wrong.

It's not a matter of opinion... it's a matter of you being wrong.

 

Well, we can't get too far into the specifics of the 2000 election without going far off topic, but I think it's generally agreed on by those who paid attention to it that it wasn't "fine."  Nor was it simply a matter of people voting "incorrectly."  It's that there are errors inherent in the things that we do--the measurements that we take--always.  Which, given the argument you're generally trying to make regarding NPD, shouldn't be that threatening an observation.

Regarding your other points, numbers two and, uh, two, what I'm saying is that the difference between the two numbers (1.31 and 1.36) is the basis on which people can declare victory, regardless of the "approximation" in front of them.  And further, that approximation only makes those numbers "equal" if we know the range, which we don't.  Further still, to my knowledge, NPD doesn't include a tilde, or a range, or a plus/minus, in their release... right?  Isn't that your addition?

And sure, there can be a "winner" in this context.  Why not?  That this isn't an election--that there's nothing tangible on the line--makes the kind of nitpicking you're tying to do regarding margins of error as ridiculous as anyone claiming victory in the first place, if not moreso.  (I vote "moreso.")

But with that, I'm done.  When we get to the kind of bs rhetoric like "it's not a matter of opinion... it's a matter of you being wrong," my reply tends to be "go stuff yourself."  Seriously, save that crap for arguing with your mommy about curfew, please; I prefer grown-up discussion.

Like I said.  Last I heard it was 5%.  And not... the differences between the two numbers AREN'T something people can declare victory on.

Or at least something they can't declare victory on and be correct.

I could take the 3.8 wii number and the 1.36 PS3 number and claim the PS3 was the victor.  I wouldn't be correct... but I could do it.


People can declare the PS3 the winner... however they would be incorrect to do so.

When I say "it's not a matter of opinion."  I mean... it's not a matter of opinion.

Just how 2+2=4 isn't a matter of opinion.

It's a mathmatical fact.

 



psrock on 14 January 2010

I will quote my self from November:

" Nintendo owns December"



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jarrod on 14 January 2010
darthdevidem01 said:
psrock said:
Any news on top 20 yet

Uncharted 2 will be in it for sure

& PS3 assassins creed 2!!

AC2 PS3 sold 417k.



Demotruk on 14 January 2010

It would be hard to argue that Nintendo are pretending not to know better, I suppose?



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Kasz216 on 14 January 2010
Khuutra said:
makingmusic476 said:

Nintendo's press release:

NINTENDO FINISHES 2009 WITH MULTIPLE SALES RECORDS

Wii Has the Best Month in Video Game History, Nintendo DS Has the Best Calendar Year of All Time

Jan. 14, 2010

A holiday shopping frenzy helped both of Nintendo's video game systems make history: Nintendo's Wii™ home system sold more than 3.8 million units in December, a new all-time single-month U.S. sales record. The Nintendo DS™ Lite and Nintendo DSi™ hand-held systems combined to sell more than 3.3 million, the second biggest month in U.S. history.

Those strong December numbers helped propel the Nintendo DS franchise to more than 11.2 million sold in 2009, a new U.S. calendar-year sales record for any video game system – ever. The Wii console finished 2009 with 9.6 million sold. Of all the Wii consoles ever sold in the United States since its November 2006 launch, nearly one-fifth (18.7 percent) were sold during November and December 2009.

"Wii, Nintendo DS Lite and Nintendo DSi combined to sell more than 7 million units in the month of December alone," said Cammie Dunaway, Nintendo of America's executive vice president of Sales & Marketing. "Clearly there is overwhelming consumer demand for fun games, motion controls and value. This remarkable hardware sales surge presents a tremendous software opportunity for Nintendo and its third-party partners as we head into 2010."

Lifetime U.S. sales for Wii have now surpassed 27.2 million units. No other home console has ever sold so many so quickly. Lifetime U.S. sales for the Nintendo DS franchise have topped 38.8 million units, surpassing lifetime sales of the Game Boy™ Advance franchise.

As always, great software drives hardware sales. In December alone, consumers placed six Nintendo games in the top 10 best-sellers of the month. These include New Super Mario Bros.™ Wii at No. 1 with more than 2.8 million sold, Wii Sports Resort™ at No. 2 with more than 1.7 million sold, Wii Fit™ Plus with the Wii Balance Board™ accessory at No. 3 with more than 1.7 million sold, Wii Play™ at No. 6 with more than 1.0 million sold, Mario Kart™ Wii at No. 7 with more than 936,000 sold and Mario & Luigi™: Bowser's Inside Story for Nintendo DS Lite and Nintendo DSi at No. 10 with more than 656,000 sold.

For all of 2009, Nintendo finished with seven of the top 10 best-selling games of the year. These include New Super Mario Bros. Wii at No. 2 with more than 4.2 million sold, Wii Sports Resort at No. 3 with more than 4.2 million sold, Wii Fit™ at No. 4 with more than 3.5 million sold, Mario Kart Wii at No. 5 with nearly 3.1 million sold, Wii Play at No. 6 with more than 3.1 million sold, Wii Fit Plus™ at No. 8 with more than 2.4 million sold and Pokémon™ Platinum Version at No. 10 with more than 2.0 million sold.

All numbers contained in this document are according to the NPD Group, which tracks U.S. video game sales.

For more information about Nintendo, please visit www.nintendo.com.

Yeah

I don't know what to say

One could still wait for financials

Well even if they had a lower number... it's not like Nintendo could really say it in their official press release.

I mean they even say "according to NPD Group."

though i think they always say that in press releases it gives them plenty of wiggle room later.