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theprof00 on 14 January 2010

Yeah, I don't believe those wii numbers one bit. VGC has undertracked ps3 and wii recently iirc, but nothing THAT crazy. I'm going to go with what Nintendo said, "over 3m".

However, I wonder if there's this possibility:
People ordered wiis online, and were out of stock and so were placed on back order which weren't sold until January. I can't really think of any other way they could be right, and even so, it's quite a stretch of the imagination.



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jarrod on 14 January 2010
Euphoria14 said:
jarrod said:
psrock said:
 

Well, there goes your argument, the PSP in 2008 had plenty of Software compared to 2009.

lol.  In the past six months alone 2009 has had Gran Turismo, LittleBig Planet, MotorStorm Arctic Storm, Jak & Daxter Lost Frontier, Loco Roco Midnight Carvival, Rock Ban unplugged, Monster Hunter Freedom Unite, Soulcalibur BD, Tekken 6, Assassin's Creed Bloodlines, Dissidia FF, Persona, Disgaea 2, GTA Chinatown Wars, the usual EA Sports lineup, the usual SCEA sports lineup, plus tons of minis/PS1 games... what did 2008 have it it's last six months?

http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=6520

According to NPD retail software sales for the portable is 79%, leaving the other 21% for the downloadable titles. So what *could* PSP software sales be when this is factored in for not just December, but for the 4th quarter of the year considering the GO is download only and the PSP-1000, 2000 and 3000 also have access to these downloadable titles?

 

Anyone know how many GOs are out there in the wild?

I also understand that the % is probably much lower than the 21% when it comes to the handhelds as opposed to the PC/Mac but who knows right?

 

People may act like it makes no difference, but in the case of the PSP it just might.

79% is for PC, Mac, phones, DS and PSP combined.  Phones alone would skew that hugely (they're 100% digital), which the article even talks about, and then we get into things like Steam... you can't in any good faith say NPD PSP sales are 79% of it's US total, it's absolutely going to be much, much more than that.  Probably closer to the 90% figure they give for consoles.



fastyxx on 14 January 2010
ioi said:
theprof00 said:
On a related note, I trust VGC numbers over NPD numbers.

I wouldn't trust either.

I'd take all the different data you can get (VGC, NPD, Analysts, Shipments Reports, Company PR) and form your own opinions - I think the whole point here is not to trust anyone and assume that each source has different potential error margins.

THIS.

 

One voice of sanity rises above the drooling masses.



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llewdebkram on 14 January 2010

Surely all us Nintendo supporters should argue how right we think NPD are.
It's got to be worth a laugh considering how the Wii absolutely destroyed the PS3 and XBox 360 :)



Khuutra on 14 January 2010
Euphoria14 said:
I think it would be incredible if Nintendo says they sold more than they shipped.

Would be good for VGChartz.

Probably won't happen, but we can hope right?

Nintendo has had to correct NPD once before, I think, but it was in a case of undertracking

It's certainly possible

I just don't know if it's the case this time.

Let us wait and see.



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leo-j on 14 January 2010
ioi said:
theprof00 said:
On a related note, I trust VGC numbers over NPD numbers.

I wouldn't trust either.

I'd take all the different data you can get (VGC, NPD, Analysts, Shipments Reports, Company PR) and form your own opinions - I think the whole point here is not to trust anyone and assume that each source has different potential error margins.

what the?



 

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theprof00 on 14 January 2010
Khuutra said:
theprof00 said:
On a related note, I trust VGC numbers over NPD numbers.

This isn't a terrible policy

I just wonder what Nintendo's NPD press release will say

You mean what the shipped numbers are, or something?



Khuutra on 14 January 2010
theprof00 said:
Khuutra said:
theprof00 said:
On a related note, I trust VGC numbers over NPD numbers.

This isn't a terrible policy

I just wonder what Nintendo's NPD press release will say

You mean what the shipped numbers are, or something?

Or what SIRAS numbers are. One of those.



jarrod on 14 January 2010
psrock said:
jarrod said:
psrock said:
jarrod said:
psrock said:
jarrod said:
psrock said:
jarrod said:
psrock said:

what circumstances, some sites were predicting 400k for the PSP this month, many people were saying it wasnt selling at all in their stores. The PSP has lost tons of momemtums coming to December, that number is fine.

The number's terrible and so is the continual downward spiral considering the platform saw arguably it's best software lineup since 2005 and a platform refresh with GO.  Sony's huge PSP push this year has been a complete bust, hardware's still sliding and software's abysmal.  I'm not sure what they need to do, or what they can do even, but if they don't do something they'll have a dead platform this time next year.

It's fine. And it's already next year, it's still fine.

All it needs is a price drop and consistant game release.

How can software get more consistent than this year?  Especially when nearly everything this year bombed?

I'm sorry, I think we're heading towards the point of no return here.  Sony got all the big publishers to line up with core oriented games (PSP had a better 3rd party lineup that Wii even this fall), they focused on a comprehensive digital library, they released a premium digital-only refresh and all it still failed.  I'm not sure what they should do, games certainly didn't work, digital didn't work.  Massive pricedrops might work, but then what are they going to prop up those PS3 losses with?

I'm starting to think we're going to see PSP2 sooner than anticipated...

Replace all you have said, put PS3 in there, and it's 2008 over again. I have seen this before, i have heard the cry for Sony to kill the PS3, it's still hearand doing great. The PSP  needs software and a price cut. That's all.

You're over-generalising.  PS3 was never in the sort of software sales malaise that PSP finds itself in in America now.

PSP has software.  It didn't matter, sales are even worse than last year when it didn't have software.  It's a dead platform walking...

 

Well, there goes your argument, the PSP in 2008 had plenty of Software compared to 2009.

lol.  In the past six months alone 2009 has had Gran Turismo, LittleBig Planet, MotorStorm Arctic Storm, Jak & Daxter Lost Frontier, Loco Roco Midnight Carvival, Rock Ban unplugged, Monster Hunter Freedom Unite, Soulcalibur BD, Tekken 6, Assassin's Creed Bloodlines, Dissidia FF, Persona, Disgaea 2, GTA Chinatown Wars, the usual EA Sports lineup, the usual SCEA sports lineup, plus tons of minis/PS1 games... what did 2008 have it it's last six months?

It sounds like great line up, huh

GT = bad games by most, still sold over 1 million

LBP=  fans hated it because of lack multiplayer

Motor Storm= Dead series

Assassin Creed= Terrible, just horrible

Dissidia= 2008 game, but came to US in 2009

GTA China Town= Port from DS, great game though.

It was just one after another, The PSP just couldnt get the game like MH in the US. 2009 was bad, but it survive and willdo well, the PSP needs its own game, game made for it, not crappy version of its HD brother.

 

lol. Still waiting on that list of amazing 2nd half 2008 games... any day now...



Euphoria14 on 14 January 2010
jarrod said:
Euphoria14 said:
jarrod said:
psrock said:
 

Well, there goes your argument, the PSP in 2008 had plenty of Software compared to 2009.

lol.  In the past six months alone 2009 has had Gran Turismo, LittleBig Planet, MotorStorm Arctic Storm, Jak & Daxter Lost Frontier, Loco Roco Midnight Carvival, Rock Ban unplugged, Monster Hunter Freedom Unite, Soulcalibur BD, Tekken 6, Assassin's Creed Bloodlines, Dissidia FF, Persona, Disgaea 2, GTA Chinatown Wars, the usual EA Sports lineup, the usual SCEA sports lineup, plus tons of minis/PS1 games... what did 2008 have it it's last six months?

http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=6520

According to NPD retail software sales for the portable is 79%, leaving the other 21% for the downloadable titles. So what *could* PSP software sales be when this is factored in for not just December, but for the 4th quarter of the year considering the GO is download only and the PSP-1000, 2000 and 3000 also have access to these downloadable titles?

 

Anyone know how many GOs are out there in the wild?

I also understand that the % is probably much lower than the 21% when it comes to the handhelds as opposed to the PC/Mac but who knows right?

 

People may act like it makes no difference, but in the case of the PSP it just might.

79% is for PC, Mac, phones, DS and PSP combined.  Phones alone would skew that hugely (they're 100% digital), which the article even talks about, and then we get into things like Steam... you can't in any good faith say NPD PSP sales are 79% of it's US total, it's absolutely going to be much, much more than that.  Probably closer to the 90% figure they give for consoles.

That is why I said I understand that the % is probably much lower than the 21% when it comes to the handhelds.



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