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theprof00 on 14 January 2010

On a related note, I trust VGC numbers over NPD numbers.



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Demotruk on 14 January 2010

This is my favorite thread ever.



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jarrod on 14 January 2010
leo-j said:
jarrod said:
leo-j said:
jarrod said:
leo-j said:
jarrod said:
leo-j said:
the PSP is dead in the west, but in JAPAN its one of the best selling platforms.

It's not doing that exceptionally in Japan either anyway, sales in 2009 were nearly 1.5m down from 2008 and it's best selling game was a budget rerelease.  For hardware it's still second (barely), but for software it's a distant 3rd.

it sold 150K last week, and had KH BBS debut nearly twice as high as the DS KH game.

It should've sold more than twice as much, it's a "real" Kingdom Hearts rather than a low budget outsourced spinoff like the DS game.   

PSP had a huge AAA game and a hardware bundle last week.  It's also been trending the largest declines of any platform in Japan.

PSP is up year on year so far in 2010

and, KH BBS is a spin off, just like KH 358/2

This year's only had one week, lol.  

And BBS is NOT a spinoff.  It's basically Kingdom Hearts Zero, which was it's working title in fact.  It's being given a fullscale promotional treatment like a full sequel, it's developed inhouse (unlike the GBA/DS spinoffs) and it's actually has new content/worlds developed for it (like KH1/2, unlike 358/2d).

BBS is a spin off..

Kingdom hearts ZERO = Coded, 358/2 DAYS, and BIRTH BY SLEEP

 

Its not getting fullscale promotional treatment like a full sequel at all, and I dont know about it being developed in house?

Nope, KH Zero is specifically the working title for BBS.  And that's basically what it is, an unnumbered mainline entry.

It's been confirmed to be done inhouse.  It's by Nomura's secondary team, the Osaka R&D group.  They did the COM remake on PS2.

And I'd suggest you take a look at NeoGAFs MC threads.  BBS being treated like a numbered entry doesn't come from me, it comes from the JGAFers reporting on it 1st hand.  New worlds, hardware bundle, tons of ads, full treatment.

 

I'm actually a bit shocked I seemingly know more about KH than someone with a KH avy.  I feel dirty. :/



Euphoria14 on 14 January 2010
jarrod said:
psrock said:
 

Well, there goes your argument, the PSP in 2008 had plenty of Software compared to 2009.

lol.  In the past six months alone 2009 has had Gran Turismo, LittleBig Planet, MotorStorm Arctic Storm, Jak & Daxter Lost Frontier, Loco Roco Midnight Carvival, Rock Ban unplugged, Monster Hunter Freedom Unite, Soulcalibur BD, Tekken 6, Assassin's Creed Bloodlines, Dissidia FF, Persona, Disgaea 2, GTA Chinatown Wars, the usual EA Sports lineup, the usual SCEA sports lineup, plus tons of minis/PS1 games... what did 2008 have it it's last six months?

http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=6520

According to NPD retail software sales for the portable is 79%, leaving the other 21% for the downloadable titles. So what *could* PSP software sales be when this is factored in for not just December, but for the 4th quarter of the year considering the GO is download only and the PSP-1000, 2000 and 3000 also have access to these downloadable titles?

 

Anyone know how many GOs are out there in the wild?

I also understand that the % is probably much lower than the 21% when it comes to the handhelds as opposed to the PC/Mac but who knows right?

 

People may act like it makes no difference, but in the case of the PSP it just might.



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Kasz216 on 14 January 2010
theprof00 said:
On a related note, I trust VGC numbers over NPD numbers.


It's sort of another "Statistical tie" situation with those numbers isn't it.

The NPD numbers are... more likely to be correct.  However there is a chance the VGchartz numbers are right.


Really, i gotta think Vgchartz is more spot on with the Wii numbers... I mean it sounds like the Wii sold even better then Nintendo thought it sold.  Did they even ship that many wiis? 

 

Really I don't trust either implicitly... however both are great rough indicators. 



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Khuutra on 14 January 2010
theprof00 said:
On a related note, I trust VGC numbers over NPD numbers.

This isn't a terrible policy

I just wonder what Nintendo's NPD press release will say



fastyxx on 14 January 2010

How's this for statistical analysis?

Statistically, the closer together the sales figures for PS3 and 360 are, the higher the level of "dumb" that appears in that month's NPD thread.

I've never read so much drivel from people that have no clue what they are talking about. Thank you ioi for jumping in there and attempting to explain things, but I fear you may as well try to explain nuclear physics to my kitten. You could explain it to her, but she'd still meow about the attach rate of the Wii in Indonesia.



Can't we all just get along and play our games in peace?

leo-j on 14 January 2010
jarrod said:
leo-j said:
jarrod said:
leo-j said:
jarrod said:
leo-j said:
jarrod said:
leo-j said:
the PSP is dead in the west, but in JAPAN its one of the best selling platforms.

It's not doing that exceptionally in Japan either anyway, sales in 2009 were nearly 1.5m down from 2008 and it's best selling game was a budget rerelease.  For hardware it's still second (barely), but for software it's a distant 3rd.

it sold 150K last week, and had KH BBS debut nearly twice as high as the DS KH game.

It should've sold more than twice as much, it's a "real" Kingdom Hearts rather than a low budget outsourced spinoff like the DS game.   

PSP had a huge AAA game and a hardware bundle last week.  It's also been trending the largest declines of any platform in Japan.

PSP is up year on year so far in 2010

and, KH BBS is a spin off, just like KH 358/2

This year's only had one week, lol.  

And BBS is NOT a spinoff.  It's basically Kingdom Hearts Zero, which was it's working title in fact.  It's being given a fullscale promotional treatment like a full sequel, it's developed inhouse (unlike the GBA/DS spinoffs) and it's actually has new content/worlds developed for it (like KH1/2, unlike 358/2d).

BBS is a spin off..

Kingdom hearts ZERO = Coded, 358/2 DAYS, and BIRTH BY SLEEP

 

Its not getting fullscale promotional treatment like a full sequel at all, and I dont know about it being developed in house?

Nope, KH Zero is specifically the working title for BBS.  And that's basically what it is, an unnumbered mainline entry.

It's been confirmed to be done inhouse.  It's by Nomura's secondary team, the Osaka R&D group.  They did the COM remake on PS2.

And I'd suggest you take a look at NeoGAFs MC threads.  BBS being treated like a numbered entry doesn't come from me, it comes from the JGAFers reporting on it 1st hand.  New worlds, hardware bundle, tons of ads, full treatment.

 

I'm actually a bit shocked I seemingly know more about KH than someone with a KH avy.  I feel dirty. :/

I honestly didn't even know.. and I still don't trust this information, considering the fact Square specifically said all 3 were treated as seperate games that all are important for the story.



 

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Euphoria14 on 14 January 2010

I think it would be incredible if Nintendo says they sold more than they shipped.

Would be good for VGChartz.

Probably won't happen, but we can hope right?



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psrock on 14 January 2010
jarrod said:
psrock said:
jarrod said:
psrock said:
jarrod said:
psrock said:
jarrod said:
psrock said:

what circumstances, some sites were predicting 400k for the PSP this month, many people were saying it wasnt selling at all in their stores. The PSP has lost tons of momemtums coming to December, that number is fine.

The number's terrible and so is the continual downward spiral considering the platform saw arguably it's best software lineup since 2005 and a platform refresh with GO.  Sony's huge PSP push this year has been a complete bust, hardware's still sliding and software's abysmal.  I'm not sure what they need to do, or what they can do even, but if they don't do something they'll have a dead platform this time next year.

It's fine. And it's already next year, it's still fine.

All it needs is a price drop and consistant game release.

How can software get more consistent than this year?  Especially when nearly everything this year bombed?

I'm sorry, I think we're heading towards the point of no return here.  Sony got all the big publishers to line up with core oriented games (PSP had a better 3rd party lineup that Wii even this fall), they focused on a comprehensive digital library, they released a premium digital-only refresh and all it still failed.  I'm not sure what they should do, games certainly didn't work, digital didn't work.  Massive pricedrops might work, but then what are they going to prop up those PS3 losses with?

I'm starting to think we're going to see PSP2 sooner than anticipated...

Replace all you have said, put PS3 in there, and it's 2008 over again. I have seen this before, i have heard the cry for Sony to kill the PS3, it's still hearand doing great. The PSP  needs software and a price cut. That's all.

You're over-generalising.  PS3 was never in the sort of software sales malaise that PSP finds itself in in America now.

PSP has software.  It didn't matter, sales are even worse than last year when it didn't have software.  It's a dead platform walking...

 

Well, there goes your argument, the PSP in 2008 had plenty of Software compared to 2009.

lol.  In the past six months alone 2009 has had Gran Turismo, LittleBig Planet, MotorStorm Arctic Storm, Jak & Daxter Lost Frontier, Loco Roco Midnight Carvival, Rock Ban unplugged, Monster Hunter Freedom Unite, Soulcalibur BD, Tekken 6, Assassin's Creed Bloodlines, Dissidia FF, Persona, Disgaea 2, GTA Chinatown Wars, the usual EA Sports lineup, the usual SCEA sports lineup, plus tons of minis/PS1 games... what did 2008 have it it's last six months?

It sounds like great line up, huh

GT = bad games by most, still sold over 1 million

LBP=  fans hated it because of lack multiplayer

Motor Storm= Dead series

Assassin Creed= Terrible, just horrible

Dissidia= 2008 game, but came to US in 2009

GTA China Town= Port from DS, great game though.

It was just one after another, The PSP just couldnt get the game like MH in the US. 2009 was bad, but it survive and willdo well, the PSP needs its own game, game made for it, not crappy version of its HD brother.

 



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