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Halo Reach or Gran Turismo 5 which sells more if launched for the holiday??

Gran Turismo 5 54 43.90%
 
Halo Reach 69 56.10%
 
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Barozi on 14 January 2010
iWarMachine said:
De85 said:
iWarMachine said:
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my piracy argument is not about GT3 losing sales or the Ps3 not being pirated yet, the piracy on ps2 made the franchise grow, because a lot more people had a chance to play the game even if they didn't like the racing sims.

with bundling and advertising campaign it could do easily 100k per week just like halo 3.

the halo 3 advertising campaing was one of the biggest...and we're saying that we will see another campaing like that for another spin-off in the series? ( c'mon if the game would be a sequel, then it would be called Halo 4...and even if the game it's a real sequel, only us the gamers knows about it and most of the halo userbase it's not a gamer community, this never happened in ANY 10M seller game...that's my point of view. ) and, no the 70% stuff is not bullshit...Halo:Combat Evolved sold 6M LTD with a great advertise campaign, the Halo 2 campaing was even bigger, and sold 8M LTD...now Halo 3 had the biggest advertising campaign ever and it sold 10M...there's 4-6M people that bought the game just for the advertising campaign, again, maybe i'm being ignorant, but this is my point of view.

Halo:Odst is not the best example but it's the last sequel to the series, the game is selling pretty well but not the Halo 3 amount, i can see a decline in sales because it's a spin-off, people know this because there's not a 4 in the cover...

Gran Turismo struggled to sell over 10M copies because when it launched, the next-gen was already here, and the piracy in the ps2 was HUGE.

why do i think natal will take most of the money? because i don't think microsoft will do 2 advertise campaigns of the same size as halo 3, That's a LOT of money for a game division...

You don't actually know anything about Halo, do you?

1st bolded: Reach is not a spinoff and it is not a sequel.  It is a prequel.  This has been known since the very first reveal trailer.  MS will make sure everyone knows this through ads. 

2nd bolded: Right, because none of the increase in sales could possibly be because people enjoyed the previous games, everyone knows Halo is teh suck. /sarcasm  If the only reason it sold so well is because of the advertising, tell me why, even more than 2 years after launch, it is still selling?  I don't know about where you are, but I haven't seen a Halo 3 ad on my tv in quite some time.

3rd bolded: Why the hell wouldn't they?  If there's one thing MS has done very well this gen it's advertise.  Also, I don't know if you've heard, but MS has LOTS of money.  They can afford more than one media campaign at a time.

1st bolded:



there you go.

And yet you still call Halo 3 ODST a sequel to the series ?

I'm VERY sure Halo 3 is the end of the series...

 

This thread is not about lifetimes sales, which could be very close admittedly.

We're talking about a holiday launch and Halo is obviously more frontloaded.

You already said it. GT5 will have fantastic legs. But not only in the first weeks of release.

First week sales of Halo Reach will be around the openings of Halo 3 and Modern Warfare 2.



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iWarMachine on 14 January 2010
Barozi said:
iWarMachine said:
De85 said:
iWarMachine said:
--snipped--

my piracy argument is not about GT3 losing sales or the Ps3 not being pirated yet, the piracy on ps2 made the franchise grow, because a lot more people had a chance to play the game even if they didn't like the racing sims.

with bundling and advertising campaign it could do easily 100k per week just like halo 3.

the halo 3 advertising campaing was one of the biggest...and we're saying that we will see another campaing like that for another spin-off in the series? ( c'mon if the game would be a sequel, then it would be called Halo 4...and even if the game it's a real sequel, only us the gamers knows about it and most of the halo userbase it's not a gamer community, this never happened in ANY 10M seller game...that's my point of view. ) and, no the 70% stuff is not bullshit...Halo:Combat Evolved sold 6M LTD with a great advertise campaign, the Halo 2 campaing was even bigger, and sold 8M LTD...now Halo 3 had the biggest advertising campaign ever and it sold 10M...there's 4-6M people that bought the game just for the advertising campaign, again, maybe i'm being ignorant, but this is my point of view.

Halo:Odst is not the best example but it's the last sequel to the series, the game is selling pretty well but not the Halo 3 amount, i can see a decline in sales because it's a spin-off, people know this because there's not a 4 in the cover...

Gran Turismo struggled to sell over 10M copies because when it launched, the next-gen was already here, and the piracy in the ps2 was HUGE.

why do i think natal will take most of the money? because i don't think microsoft will do 2 advertise campaigns of the same size as halo 3, That's a LOT of money for a game division...

You don't actually know anything about Halo, do you?

1st bolded: Reach is not a spinoff and it is not a sequel.  It is a prequel.  This has been known since the very first reveal trailer.  MS will make sure everyone knows this through ads. 

2nd bolded: Right, because none of the increase in sales could possibly be because people enjoyed the previous games, everyone knows Halo is teh suck. /sarcasm  If the only reason it sold so well is because of the advertising, tell me why, even more than 2 years after launch, it is still selling?  I don't know about where you are, but I haven't seen a Halo 3 ad on my tv in quite some time.

3rd bolded: Why the hell wouldn't they?  If there's one thing MS has done very well this gen it's advertise.  Also, I don't know if you've heard, but MS has LOTS of money.  They can afford more than one media campaign at a time.

1st bolded:



there you go.

And yet you still call Halo 3 ODST a sequel to the series ?

I'm VERY sure Halo 3 is the end of the series...

 

This thread is not about lifetimes sales, which could be very close admittedly.

We're talking about a holiday launch and Halo is obviously more frontloaded.

You already said it. GT5 will have fantastic legs. But not only in the first weeks of release.

First week sales of Halo Reach will be around the openings of Halo 3 and Modern Warfare 2.

halo 3 IS the end of the series (not really if you look the veteran campaign end.) but Halo ODST it's another game in the franchise story.

GT5 will have great legs, but i think it can reach 3M+ first week, i'm sure that Halo:Reach will do it too...we will see which one is a bigger franchise, i think GT series is bigger, that's it, i'm not saying that Halo:reach will flop, because, obviously it'll not, the only thing i expect is lower sales than halo 3.



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Kenoid on 14 January 2010

Launch Day, definitely halo Reach in opening day sales.



                                  

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gamelover2000 on 14 January 2010

first week or overall? first week Reach by miles, overall I think GT5.. Reach wont reach Halo 3 numbers (10mil sales lifetime)



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De85 on 14 January 2010
iWarMachine said:
 --snipped--

1st bolded:



there you go.

 

2nd bolded: people enjoyed the previous games that's why halo 2 sold 6M+...because the Halo 1 userbase bought the 2nd one...halo 3 it's selling 2 years after launch because it's being bundle + best selling game on console + best franchise in 360 ( if you buy a 360, then you should buy halo 3...)

3rd bolded: do you know how much money is that? if MW2 had a 300M campaign...then Halo 3 numbers + natal could be easily a Billion!

1: That's the point I'm trying to make with Halo 3 sales.  You acknowledge that people bought the second because they liked the first, yet sales of the third are only due to massive marketing and bundling?  Something does not compute in your logic.

2: Bullshit.  Stores bundle games to increase the value, and since Halo 3 can be had for 10$ used that adds essentially no value to the bundle.

3: Even though I'm pretty sure you pulled that 1B dollar figure out of your ass, a quick look at MS balance sheet shows that they have over 31B dollars in short term investments, cash, and cash equivalents.  $6B of which is already pure cash anyway.  They have money to burn.



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hudsoniscool on 14 January 2010
iWarMachine said:
Barozi said:
iWarMachine said:
De85 said:
iWarMachine said:
--snipped--

my piracy argument is not about GT3 losing sales or the Ps3 not being pirated yet, the piracy on ps2 made the franchise grow, because a lot more people had a chance to play the game even if they didn't like the racing sims.

with bundling and advertising campaign it could do easily 100k per week just like halo 3.

the halo 3 advertising campaing was one of the biggest...and we're saying that we will see another campaing like that for another spin-off in the series? ( c'mon if the game would be a sequel, then it would be called Halo 4...and even if the game it's a real sequel, only us the gamers knows about it and most of the halo userbase it's not a gamer community, this never happened in ANY 10M seller game...that's my point of view. ) and, no the 70% stuff is not bullshit...Halo:Combat Evolved sold 6M LTD with a great advertise campaign, the Halo 2 campaing was even bigger, and sold 8M LTD...now Halo 3 had the biggest advertising campaign ever and it sold 10M...there's 4-6M people that bought the game just for the advertising campaign, again, maybe i'm being ignorant, but this is my point of view.

Halo:Odst is not the best example but it's the last sequel to the series, the game is selling pretty well but not the Halo 3 amount, i can see a decline in sales because it's a spin-off, people know this because there's not a 4 in the cover...

Gran Turismo struggled to sell over 10M copies because when it launched, the next-gen was already here, and the piracy in the ps2 was HUGE.

why do i think natal will take most of the money? because i don't think microsoft will do 2 advertise campaigns of the same size as halo 3, That's a LOT of money for a game division...

You don't actually know anything about Halo, do you?

1st bolded: Reach is not a spinoff and it is not a sequel.  It is a prequel.  This has been known since the very first reveal trailer.  MS will make sure everyone knows this through ads. 

2nd bolded: Right, because none of the increase in sales could possibly be because people enjoyed the previous games, everyone knows Halo is teh suck. /sarcasm  If the only reason it sold so well is because of the advertising, tell me why, even more than 2 years after launch, it is still selling?  I don't know about where you are, but I haven't seen a Halo 3 ad on my tv in quite some time.

3rd bolded: Why the hell wouldn't they?  If there's one thing MS has done very well this gen it's advertise.  Also, I don't know if you've heard, but MS has LOTS of money.  They can afford more than one media campaign at a time.

1st bolded:



there you go.

And yet you still call Halo 3 ODST a sequel to the series ?

I'm VERY sure Halo 3 is the end of the series...

 

This thread is not about lifetimes sales, which could be very close admittedly.

We're talking about a holiday launch and Halo is obviously more frontloaded.

You already said it. GT5 will have fantastic legs. But not only in the first weeks of release.

First week sales of Halo Reach will be around the openings of Halo 3 and Modern Warfare 2.

halo 3 IS the end of the series (not really if you look the veteran campaign end.) but Halo ODST it's another game in the franchise story.

GT5 will have great legs, but i think it can reach 3M+ first week, i'm sure that Halo:Reach will do it too...we will see which one is a bigger franchise, i think GT series is bigger, that's it, i'm not saying that Halo:reach will flop, because, obviously it'll not, the only thing i expect is lower sales than halo 3.

odst and reach are both prequels. odst being a prequel to 3.

 

something i dont understand is your now saying reach will have a 3m opening week but only 6m lifetime.



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halo 5 will sell 10 million copies(including digital)

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Asriel on 14 January 2010

I'd have to go with Halo: Reach. Microsoft will put a massive marketing campaign behind it and treat it is a true Halo game, rather than a spin off like they did with ODST. GT5 I fully expect to be PS3's best game yet, but I think Reach will be the bigger success over the holidays. If this is going to be Xbox's biggest year yet, then Halo will be a big part of it.



iWarMachine on 14 January 2010
hudsoniscool said:
iWarMachine said:
Barozi said:
iWarMachine said:
De85 said:
iWarMachine said:
--snipped--

my piracy argument is not about GT3 losing sales or the Ps3 not being pirated yet, the piracy on ps2 made the franchise grow, because a lot more people had a chance to play the game even if they didn't like the racing sims.

with bundling and advertising campaign it could do easily 100k per week just like halo 3.

the halo 3 advertising campaing was one of the biggest...and we're saying that we will see another campaing like that for another spin-off in the series? ( c'mon if the game would be a sequel, then it would be called Halo 4...and even if the game it's a real sequel, only us the gamers knows about it and most of the halo userbase it's not a gamer community, this never happened in ANY 10M seller game...that's my point of view. ) and, no the 70% stuff is not bullshit...Halo:Combat Evolved sold 6M LTD with a great advertise campaign, the Halo 2 campaing was even bigger, and sold 8M LTD...now Halo 3 had the biggest advertising campaign ever and it sold 10M...there's 4-6M people that bought the game just for the advertising campaign, again, maybe i'm being ignorant, but this is my point of view.

Halo:Odst is not the best example but it's the last sequel to the series, the game is selling pretty well but not the Halo 3 amount, i can see a decline in sales because it's a spin-off, people know this because there's not a 4 in the cover...

Gran Turismo struggled to sell over 10M copies because when it launched, the next-gen was already here, and the piracy in the ps2 was HUGE.

why do i think natal will take most of the money? because i don't think microsoft will do 2 advertise campaigns of the same size as halo 3, That's a LOT of money for a game division...

You don't actually know anything about Halo, do you?

1st bolded: Reach is not a spinoff and it is not a sequel.  It is a prequel.  This has been known since the very first reveal trailer.  MS will make sure everyone knows this through ads. 

2nd bolded: Right, because none of the increase in sales could possibly be because people enjoyed the previous games, everyone knows Halo is teh suck. /sarcasm  If the only reason it sold so well is because of the advertising, tell me why, even more than 2 years after launch, it is still selling?  I don't know about where you are, but I haven't seen a Halo 3 ad on my tv in quite some time.

3rd bolded: Why the hell wouldn't they?  If there's one thing MS has done very well this gen it's advertise.  Also, I don't know if you've heard, but MS has LOTS of money.  They can afford more than one media campaign at a time.

1st bolded:



there you go.

And yet you still call Halo 3 ODST a sequel to the series ?

I'm VERY sure Halo 3 is the end of the series...

 

This thread is not about lifetimes sales, which could be very close admittedly.

We're talking about a holiday launch and Halo is obviously more frontloaded.

You already said it. GT5 will have fantastic legs. But not only in the first weeks of release.

First week sales of Halo Reach will be around the openings of Halo 3 and Modern Warfare 2.

halo 3 IS the end of the series (not really if you look the veteran campaign end.) but Halo ODST it's another game in the franchise story.

GT5 will have great legs, but i think it can reach 3M+ first week, i'm sure that Halo:Reach will do it too...we will see which one is a bigger franchise, i think GT series is bigger, that's it, i'm not saying that Halo:reach will flop, because, obviously it'll not, the only thing i expect is lower sales than halo 3.

odst and reach are both prequels. odst being a prequel to 3.

 

something i dont understand is your now saying reach will have a 3m opening week but only 6m lifetime.

if i'm not wrong i said 6M+ in holiday season, it'll reach 8M  (no pun intented :P) but it'll not get into the 10M mark.



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Xoj on 14 January 2010

i say worldwide GT5.

it sells more other, japan and decently in USA.

while halo sells great in usa, decent in europe. nothing in japan.

halo reach will be more frontloaded due it massive budget marketing, but thanks to europe GT5 will move bit.



themanwithnoname on 14 January 2010

Halo: Reach because it will be heavily frontloaded.



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