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Garcian Smith on 11 January 2010

Hokay. We can basically distill the OP's arguments down to 4 points:

1) The Wii is losing marketshare.

2) The HD Twins are seeing several "amazing" releases this year, while the Wii's first-party releases are just rehashes.

3) Target and Best Buy are starting to refuse to stock "casual games."

4) The Wii is just two fads linked together.

 

And my responses...

1) Marketshare is meaningless in the grand scheme of things, thus why it's only cited by people who want the HD Twins to "win" the "console war." The only thing that matters to the success of a business is profit. And Nintendo are profiting like mad from the Wii, while MS and Sony continue to take heavy losses from their respective home console lines.

2) Putting aside for the moment the hilarity of arguing that Nintendo's Wii lineup this year is made up of "rehashes" while citing a laundry list of sequels on the HD Twins in support of your argument, I can guarantee you that none of the games you listed will sell as much as NSMB Wii or even Zelda Wii.

Furthermore, the only Nintendo-published Wii game that I can think of this year that's a "rehash" is Super Mario Galaxy 2. Metroid: Other M and Zelda Wii are both going to be radically different than their predecessors, and there's also several new IPs (Zangeki no Reginleiv/Dynamic Slash, Line Attack Heroes, Span Smasher) slated for '10. And furthermore, given Nintendo's tendency to not announce games more than six months in advance, we can probably expect more come E3.

3) I tried to trace the source on this claim and came up with this Gamasutra article, which itself doesn't cite any primary sources. You'll have to do better than that.

4) That's a whole lot of conjecture, and sustained high sales and profits over a three year time period say otherwise.

 

Furthermore, the Wii is still outselling any of its competitors by far, and making tons more profit for Nintendo than either of the HD Twins are doing for their respective companies. If the Wii is "in trouble," then what does that say about its competitors, which have consistently lower sales numbers and aren't even turning a profit?



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Farmageddon on 11 January 2010

Now, that Time Cube site on the "Poe's Law test" is so insane this thing here looks normal.



miz1q2w3e on 11 January 2010
Demotruk said:
miz1q2w3e said:

Actually , that link you gave doesn't prove anything. maybe YOU had trouble identifying which sites were parodies but me and my little bro, who i brought to take the "test" with me, we both scored 7/7 in recognising whcih sites were parodies... >_>

so to tarheel91, i think the thread was awsome, really well written. i guess if the thread was any more subtle you would be getting flamed to a crisp by members thinking it's real. right now it's a balance between subtle enough to "get" some people yet obvious enough to not get flamed by everyone who reads the thread.

but i still think more subtle == more FUN ;)

I haven't taken the test, I just googled Poe's Law example. It's fine if the point of the parody is to "trap" people and make fun of them for not "getting it", but I assumed to point was to be satirical and humorous.


You're right, the point IS to be satirical and humorous. and i feel like it's not funny if it's too obvious, people being "got" in the process is just an added bonus :D

I adore parodies, they're my favourite kind of comedy and my favourites are the ones that are more subtle.

ever heard of "theonion"? (the onion news network). it's my favourite site for funny vids cuz the actors in the clips act so serious, and it takes the joke to a whole new level of funny, where you actually believe what they were saying if it wasn't so ridiculously insane :)

check these out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOgj2etJs3Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_OIXfkXEj0

theonion NSFW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaidaE1ZxrI



hatris4000 on 11 January 2010

I understand what it is all about. I have a Wii and i was at the beginning very excited to own it. I had fun playing bowling and for a while i had some fun with the wii fit board... But after a while there was nothing really that attracted me to play. Most of the games that i see on the shelves are stupid and copies of the same game all over again. There is not a single good racing game for the wii, the rpgs?? nothing, the best selling game at the moment? IS Mario again... with a format that is basically the same as for the original NES. The Wii is selling because it is a must have toy, but after a while i want to see who is playing with it... I'm just waiting for the GT5 to come out and get a real videogame machine!



killeryoshis on 11 January 2010

I knew it! The wii is doomed. I agree. It will sell 15 million next year. Than9 million. Than they dicontinue it. They will be forced to make a wii HD



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miz1q2w3e on 11 January 2010
Garcian Smith said:

Hokay. We can basically distill the OP's arguments down to 4 points:

1) The Wii is losing marketshare.

2) The HD Twins are seeing several "amazing" releases this year, while the Wii's first-party releases are just rehashes.

3) Target and Best Buy are starting to refuse to stock "casual games."

4) The Wii is just two fads linked together.

 

And my responses...

1) Marketshare is meaningless in the grand scheme of things, thus why it's only cited by people who want the HD Twins to "win" the "console war." The only thing that matters to the success of a business is profit. And Nintendo are profiting like mad from the Wii, while MS and Sony continue to take heavy losses from their respective home console lines.

2) Putting aside for the moment the hilarity of arguing that Nintendo's Wii lineup this year is made up of "rehashes" while citing a laundry list of sequels on the HD Twins in support of your argument, I can guarantee you that none of the games you listed will sell as much as NSMB Wii or even Zelda Wii.

Furthermore, the only Nintendo-published Wii game that I can think of this year that's a "rehash" is Super Mario Galaxy 2. Metroid: Other M and Zelda Wii are both going to be radically different than their predecessors, and there's also several new IPs (Zangeki no Reginleiv/Dynamic Slash, Line Attack Heroes, Span Smasher) slated for '10. And furthermore, given Nintendo's tendency to not announce games more than six months in advance, we can probably expect more come E3.

3) I tried to trace the source on this claim and came up with this Gamasutra article, which itself doesn't cite any primary sources. You'll have to do better than that.

4) That's a whole lot of conjecture, and sustained high sales and profits over a three year time period say otherwise.

 

Furthermore, the Wii is still outselling any of its competitors by far, and making tons more profit for Nintendo than either of the HD Twins are doing for their respective companies. If the Wii is "in trouble," then what does that say about its competitors, which have consistently lower sales numbers and aren't even turning a profit?

Garcian's post count is over 2,000. what's your high score so far tarheel91?

and @Garcian: the post was a parody/joke



famousringo on 11 January 2010

Good stuff. Very well done. I especially like your 'rolling fads' theory. I would like to see it expanded to include retardedly dumbed-down casual games like Mario Kart Wii and NSMBWii.



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SnowFlow on 11 January 2010

Yeah the Wii needs more mature and bad a$s games, but there still are a ton of great games on it.



tarheel91 on 11 January 2010
miz1q2w3e said:
Garcian Smith said:

Hokay. We can basically distill the OP's arguments down to 4 points:

1) The Wii is losing marketshare.

2) The HD Twins are seeing several "amazing" releases this year, while the Wii's first-party releases are just rehashes.

3) Target and Best Buy are starting to refuse to stock "casual games."

4) The Wii is just two fads linked together.

 

And my responses...

1) Marketshare is meaningless in the grand scheme of things, thus why it's only cited by people who want the HD Twins to "win" the "console war." The only thing that matters to the success of a business is profit. And Nintendo are profiting like mad from the Wii, while MS and Sony continue to take heavy losses from their respective home console lines.

2) Putting aside for the moment the hilarity of arguing that Nintendo's Wii lineup this year is made up of "rehashes" while citing a laundry list of sequels on the HD Twins in support of your argument, I can guarantee you that none of the games you listed will sell as much as NSMB Wii or even Zelda Wii.

Furthermore, the only Nintendo-published Wii game that I can think of this year that's a "rehash" is Super Mario Galaxy 2. Metroid: Other M and Zelda Wii are both going to be radically different than their predecessors, and there's also several new IPs (Zangeki no Reginleiv/Dynamic Slash, Line Attack Heroes, Span Smasher) slated for '10. And furthermore, given Nintendo's tendency to not announce games more than six months in advance, we can probably expect more come E3.

3) I tried to trace the source on this claim and came up with this Gamasutra article, which itself doesn't cite any primary sources. You'll have to do better than that.

4) That's a whole lot of conjecture, and sustained high sales and profits over a three year time period say otherwise.

 

Furthermore, the Wii is still outselling any of its competitors by far, and making tons more profit for Nintendo than either of the HD Twins are doing for their respective companies. If the Wii is "in trouble," then what does that say about its competitors, which have consistently lower sales numbers and aren't even turning a profit?

Garcian's post count is over 2,000. what's your high score so far tarheel91?

and @Garcian: the post was a parody/joke

CGI has almost 15,500 and Gnizmo has almost 4,500. :D

So far I count 15-16 users.  That includes Ghutto who edited his post and Snow, the most recent victim on page 3.


@famousringo: I thought about going that route, but with major retailers getting rid of casual games, who's going to carry stuff like Mario games and Trauma Center games (hospital game, lololololol now THAT is the defintion of casual) to keep the casual fad going?

Edit: This thread has made me more money in one day than all the money I've made since the 13th of November.  Now I see why Rol does this all the time.



Mummelmann on 11 January 2010

Why are threads like these allowed? They encourage trolling and can be considered trolling in and on themselves since the OP is almost always some kind of super inflammatory content and/or subject.
This is why I have no respect for Rol as a poster and never found him funny; he trolls using the same method, lures people into a snare, has a laugh about it and people get banned for getting upset (sorry to criticize him while he's gone but everyone here knows I feel this way anyway).

I ask again; why are these threads allowed? I'm not one to piss on your parade tarheel91 but I never see the humor in these. "Haha, you thought I was serious and you are now venting your stupid opinions openly so everyone can mock you!"
I don't like it, not one bit. One could say that its innocent fun but I don't, people get genuinely upset or even banned for considerable lengths of time over these threads sometimes.
Surely, there must be other ways of being "funny", look at d21lewis or amp316, those are two funny posters that don't mock, flamebait or troll anyone, its all goodhearted fun and games.