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jefforange89 on 10 January 2010

What's so special about "mature" content in the first place? There are probably more people old enough for "mature" content interested in Wii Fit, Wii Sports and Mario than there are interested in so-called "mature" content in the first place anyhow.



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BladeOfGod on 10 January 2010
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Chairman-Mao said:
I agree with Sega, Nintendo needs to start making a few mature games. I know Nintendo likes their family friendly image but they are never going to get 13-18 year old males buying their consoles if they have no hardcore/mature (whatever you want to call it) games. This is actually one of the two things keeping me from buying a Wii (the other being my budget).

Hate to break it to you, but have you looked at the sales of consoles?  Plenty of '13-18 year old males' are buying a Wii.  And not just looking for 'mature rated content'.  Looking for games from a variety of fields, from Mario and Zelda to Metroid and Smash Bros and even Mario Kart and Pikmin.

Spend some time on this site and you'll even see how many 'hardcore HD console gamers' have one or two major Wii games they're highly anticipating.

and you know that how?



Kenryoku_Maxis on 10 January 2010
BladeOfGod said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Chairman-Mao said:
I agree with Sega, Nintendo needs to start making a few mature games. I know Nintendo likes their family friendly image but they are never going to get 13-18 year old males buying their consoles if they have no hardcore/mature (whatever you want to call it) games. This is actually one of the two things keeping me from buying a Wii (the other being my budget).

Hate to break it to you, but have you looked at the sales of consoles?  Plenty of '13-18 year old males' are buying a Wii.  And not just looking for 'mature rated content'.  Looking for games from a variety of fields, from Mario and Zelda to Metroid and Smash Bros and even Mario Kart and Pikmin.

Spend some time on this site and you'll even see how many 'hardcore HD console gamers' have one or two major Wii games they're highly anticipating.

and you know that how?

Deductive reasoning?  The Wii couldn't get to the #1 spot simply by selling to 'grannies and kids'.  Especially when a lot of younger kids (between the ages of 10-14) are running out to buy XBOX360 and PS3.

Also, the fact that all three of the major console producers each year have put up demographic charts of who is buying their consoles.  And all of them agree, Wii is winning because people in all markets are buying a Wii.  Sometimes as just a secondary console to an HD console.  But if one person buys a PS3 and another person buys a 360...but they both buy a Wii on the side, the Wii wins out.



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Scoobes on 10 January 2010

Well I kinda agree with Sega in principle, just not in the details. I don't think Nintendo needs to make any M-rated content, but it would be nice to see them branch out a little more with the genres and the maturity of the experience that Nintendo games give. I think Nintendo should release more games in a larger variety of genres so 3rd parties can see that the market is present. Kinda like how Halo made 3rd parties bring out FPS games on the original X-box or how Wii Sports and Wii Fit has made them bring out sports/party and fitness games to the Wii.

I would say that I'm dissappointed that Nintendo didn't have a bigger ad campaign for Metroid as that's the closest thing to a "core" first-person title. Even though the previous titles didn't sell brilliantly, I honestly thought that with a huge marketing campaign it could have sold much better and brought 3rd parties into seeing the market is present on Wii. Instead, we got normal sales and very low sales by Nintendo standards so 3rd parties completely ignored it.




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Gamerace on 10 January 2010

Hmm... Let's see. Nintendo looks to make games that sell 10m-20m on Wii by appealing to everyone. But instead this Sony hack would have them divert resources to make a Mature game that would be lucky to sell 3m to create a market for Sony?

Sure that'd be nice for Sony but what's in it for Nintendo? I'm sure the big N would rather use those resources and make another 20m seller instead. It'd be more profit than the cut from all of the 3rd parties M efforts that would follow's Nintendo's M game.

Nintendo is not in the habit of splitting up it's audience and appealing to one chunk at a time. They make games for all. Why 3rd parties insist on doing it the other way, and then asking Nintendo to do the same is beyond me.



 

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Scoobes on 10 January 2010
SaviorX said:
  1. Mario Kart: 20.3m
  2. NSMB Wii: 9.27m
  3. Smash: 9.1m
  4. SMG: 8.39m
  5. Metroid Prime 3 Corruption & MP Trilogy: 1.95 million

Nintendo gave you the highest selling racing game ever. In return we get Need for Speed Nitro,Wheelspin, Sonic & Sega Allstar Racing, and M&Ms Kart Racing

Mario Kart is a racing game that is both casual and core. It doesn't prove there is a market for games like Grid, a Gran Turismo, a Rally game etc. Instead, it shows there is a market for broad appeal racers which are what most of the games you mentioned are. Also, Formula 1 was released on Wii, don't forget that!

Nintendo gives you the fastest selling platformer in near 20 years. In return you get a Klonoa remake and the Munchables.

To be fair I can't think of that many 2D platformers on any console although they are having a bit of a resurgence due to NSMB and LBP. But LBP was also Sony 2nd party and was developed by an indie dev, so 3rd parties a lagging on all fronts in this genre.

Nintendo gives you the highest selling-fighting game ever. In return we get TMNT Smash Up with 1/3 of the characters and less than half the features and Soul Calibur Legends, which is trash.

Although it's a fighting game it doesn't exactly play like other fighting games, not to mention the fact that the art style and characters compared to the likes of Tekken, Soul Caliber, DoA and Street Fighter is very different. So is it that suprising 3rd parties haven't put there traditional fighters on Wii? If Nintendo had a truely traditional beat-em up then your point might be valid, but the reason Smash Bros is so great is because it's unique.

Nintendo gives you a system selling Adventure game. In return we get Flip's Twisted World and nothing else.

This point is entirely valid. I can't think of anything that comes close on Wii.

Nintendo gives you  a near 2 million selling FPA (complemented by the 2 million selling Call of Duty games and Red Steel). In return we get on-rail/lightgun shooters and Rogue Trooper.....

I posted something about Metroid in my previous post. It's sold badly for a Nintendo game, although they've never been spectacular in sales. With the right ad campaign they could have had a much greater number of sales and really shown 3rd parties that these types of games can sell. I think Nintendo dropped the ball a bit. And when 3rd parties see CoD games (most popular FPS series this gen) lagging in sales behind the HD counterparts they probably think the effort to do a Wii port is not worth it. The market is there for these games, it's just not as big as the combined HD + PC market. And also, what's a publisher going to take note of: The 1-2 million sales of a FPS, or the ridiculous sales of Wii Fit and Mario & Sonic?

What else can Nintendo do besides walk into your company and make the games themselves?

I think the only thing Nintendo can do is to develop or publish a title or two from a genre that they traditionally wouldn't touch (traditional/core style), that brings something new to that genre and sells incredibly well (8+million). Until that happens 3rd party publishers are going to carry on assuming the market isn't there and continue copying Nintendo in the fitness and party game genres.




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BladeOfGod on 10 January 2010
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
BladeOfGod said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Chairman-Mao said:
I agree with Sega, Nintendo needs to start making a few mature games. I know Nintendo likes their family friendly image but they are never going to get 13-18 year old males buying their consoles if they have no hardcore/mature (whatever you want to call it) games. This is actually one of the two things keeping me from buying a Wii (the other being my budget).

Hate to break it to you, but have you looked at the sales of consoles?  Plenty of '13-18 year old males' are buying a Wii.  And not just looking for 'mature rated content'.  Looking for games from a variety of fields, from Mario and Zelda to Metroid and Smash Bros and even Mario Kart and Pikmin.

Spend some time on this site and you'll even see how many 'hardcore HD console gamers' have one or two major Wii games they're highly anticipating.

and you know that how?

Deductive reasoning?  The Wii couldn't get to the #1 spot simply by selling to 'grannies and kids'.  Especially when a lot of younger kids (between the ages of 10-14) are running out to buy XBOX360 and PS3.

Also, the fact that all three of the major console producers each year have put up demographic charts of who is buying their consoles.  And all of them agree, Wii is winning because people in all markets are buying a Wii.  Sometimes as just a secondary console to an HD console.  But if one person buys a PS3 and another person buys a 360...but they both buy a Wii on the side, the Wii wins out.

you might dont know, but Wii DOESN'T NEED to sell to teens and kids to win in sales. Look at the DS. Most of DS owners are female and usually older than 20



Kenryoku_Maxis on 10 January 2010
BladeOfGod said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
BladeOfGod said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Chairman-Mao said:
I agree with Sega, Nintendo needs to start making a few mature games. I know Nintendo likes their family friendly image but they are never going to get 13-18 year old males buying their consoles if they have no hardcore/mature (whatever you want to call it) games. This is actually one of the two things keeping me from buying a Wii (the other being my budget).

Hate to break it to you, but have you looked at the sales of consoles?  Plenty of '13-18 year old males' are buying a Wii.  And not just looking for 'mature rated content'.  Looking for games from a variety of fields, from Mario and Zelda to Metroid and Smash Bros and even Mario Kart and Pikmin.

Spend some time on this site and you'll even see how many 'hardcore HD console gamers' have one or two major Wii games they're highly anticipating.

and you know that how?

Deductive reasoning?  The Wii couldn't get to the #1 spot simply by selling to 'grannies and kids'.  Especially when a lot of younger kids (between the ages of 10-14) are running out to buy XBOX360 and PS3.

Also, the fact that all three of the major console producers each year have put up demographic charts of who is buying their consoles.  And all of them agree, Wii is winning because people in all markets are buying a Wii.  Sometimes as just a secondary console to an HD console.  But if one person buys a PS3 and another person buys a 360...but they both buy a Wii on the side, the Wii wins out.

you might dont know, but Wii DOESN'T NEED to sell to teens and kids to win in sales. Look at the DS. Most of DS owners are female and usually older than 20

And....your point?  The DS is a completely different system than the Wii.  Its a handheld.  I'm talking about the Wii.  And the Wii (a console, not a handheld) has completely different numbers.  Roughly 25% of its demographic is female, while the rest is male, ranging in all ages (including males between 14-25).

If you don't believe me, perhaps solid numbers from this very site will convince you.

http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=5995

That aside, the DS is also selling to millions of people in all ages, including males between 14-25 as well.  Just admit that just because you don't seem to like Wii or DS that some other people actually buy them.  Because those systems couldn't get to where they are now simply selling to target demographics.



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BladeOfGod on 10 January 2010
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
BladeOfGod said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
BladeOfGod said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Chairman-Mao said:
I agree with Sega, Nintendo needs to start making a few mature games. I know Nintendo likes their family friendly image but they are never going to get 13-18 year old males buying their consoles if they have no hardcore/mature (whatever you want to call it) games. This is actually one of the two things keeping me from buying a Wii (the other being my budget).

Hate to break it to you, but have you looked at the sales of consoles?  Plenty of '13-18 year old males' are buying a Wii.  And not just looking for 'mature rated content'.  Looking for games from a variety of fields, from Mario and Zelda to Metroid and Smash Bros and even Mario Kart and Pikmin.

Spend some time on this site and you'll even see how many 'hardcore HD console gamers' have one or two major Wii games they're highly anticipating.

and you know that how?

Deductive reasoning?  The Wii couldn't get to the #1 spot simply by selling to 'grannies and kids'.  Especially when a lot of younger kids (between the ages of 10-14) are running out to buy XBOX360 and PS3.

Also, the fact that all three of the major console producers each year have put up demographic charts of who is buying their consoles.  And all of them agree, Wii is winning because people in all markets are buying a Wii.  Sometimes as just a secondary console to an HD console.  But if one person buys a PS3 and another person buys a 360...but they both buy a Wii on the side, the Wii wins out.

you might dont know, but Wii DOESN'T NEED to sell to teens and kids to win in sales. Look at the DS. Most of DS owners are female and usually older than 20

And....your point?  The DS is a completely different system than the Wii.  Its a handheld.  I'm talking about the Wii.  And the Wii (a console, not a handheld) has completely different numbers.  Roughly 25% of its demographic is female, while the rest is male, ranging in all ages (including males between 14-25).

If you don't believe me, perhaps solid numbers from this very site will convince you.

http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=5995

That aside, the DS is also selling to millions of people in all ages, including males between 14-25 as well.  Just admit that just because you don't seem to like Wii or DS that some other people actually buy them.  Because those systems couldn't get to where they are now simply selling to target demographics.

i hate DS so much, that i paid to get one.

 

Also, my point still stands. The console doesnt need to sell to people betwwen 10-18 to win in sales



Kenryoku_Maxis on 10 January 2010
BladeOfGod said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
BladeOfGod said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
BladeOfGod said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Chairman-Mao said:
I agree with Sega, Nintendo needs to start making a few mature games. I know Nintendo likes their family friendly image but they are never going to get 13-18 year old males buying their consoles if they have no hardcore/mature (whatever you want to call it) games. This is actually one of the two things keeping me from buying a Wii (the other being my budget).

Hate to break it to you, but have you looked at the sales of consoles?  Plenty of '13-18 year old males' are buying a Wii.  And not just looking for 'mature rated content'.  Looking for games from a variety of fields, from Mario and Zelda to Metroid and Smash Bros and even Mario Kart and Pikmin.

Spend some time on this site and you'll even see how many 'hardcore HD console gamers' have one or two major Wii games they're highly anticipating.

and you know that how?

Deductive reasoning?  The Wii couldn't get to the #1 spot simply by selling to 'grannies and kids'.  Especially when a lot of younger kids (between the ages of 10-14) are running out to buy XBOX360 and PS3.

Also, the fact that all three of the major console producers each year have put up demographic charts of who is buying their consoles.  And all of them agree, Wii is winning because people in all markets are buying a Wii.  Sometimes as just a secondary console to an HD console.  But if one person buys a PS3 and another person buys a 360...but they both buy a Wii on the side, the Wii wins out.

you might dont know, but Wii DOESN'T NEED to sell to teens and kids to win in sales. Look at the DS. Most of DS owners are female and usually older than 20

And....your point?  The DS is a completely different system than the Wii.  Its a handheld.  I'm talking about the Wii.  And the Wii (a console, not a handheld) has completely different numbers.  Roughly 25% of its demographic is female, while the rest is male, ranging in all ages (including males between 14-25).

If you don't believe me, perhaps solid numbers from this very site will convince you.

http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=5995

That aside, the DS is also selling to millions of people in all ages, including males between 14-25 as well.  Just admit that just because you don't seem to like Wii or DS that some other people actually buy them.  Because those systems couldn't get to where they are now simply selling to target demographics.

i hate DS so much, that i paid to get one.

 

Also, my point still stands. The console doesnt need to sell to people betwwen 10-18 to win in sales

If you want to keep going on about this point, provide some kind of substance to it.  All I see backing it up is your opinion.  And if opinions fueled arguments, we'd probably have blown up the Earth by now.



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