supermario128 said:
Best players TODAY. You really think these players could go up against players today. They would embarrass themselves. |
Yeak I know :P. I just don't follow basketball anymore :P.
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
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supermario128 said: I also said that. You have to be crazy to not think that. |
I just have to say Supermario128 is cool for saying this.
stewroids said:
Man, I love debating with you about the NBA...
Don't forget that Boston recently became a good team when they picked up the big 3, and the Lakers also became a good team after they got Gasol, so Lebron's ppg average against Boston and L.A is meaningless since those teams were pretty bad for the first few years of Lebron's career...this proves that although he is excellent, sometimes he fails to bring his A game... As for Kobe's trade demand, I have nothing to argue with you about that, you're absolutely right and it was kinda sad...but hey, at least the guy still played unlike my team's previous franchise player, Vince Carter :P And yes, Kobe wouldn't be what he is today without Pau Gasol or Phil Jackson, they both helped him get another ring and the MVP trophy, while Lebron got his trophy completely by himself...you might think that this makes Lebron better, but there is one thing that makes Kobe rise above the rest: Clutch As an NBA analyst said yesterday (forgot his name), when the game is close in the fourth quarter, you know the Lakers would win, because Kobe would make them win...he would take over the entire game because that's just what he does...he is a gamechanger and we haven't seen a player with this kind of clutch skill since Michael Jordan. This, IMO, makes Kobe Bryant in the same class as MJ and much better than Lebron...will Lebron be better than Kobe eventually? Maybe, but there are still a few years left until that happens. |
LeBron plays very well againts Boston. Post big 3, or prior to the big 3. Why? You know, The Truth. He has a tendency to fade in games against the lakers though. And as far as Orlando goes, he's a beast againts them.
Kobe is the best offensive player in the game right now, no arguing there.He's clutch. But LeBron can also be clutch. Remember game 2 of the Eastern Confrence finals buzzer last season(the best I've seen personally)? Remember Golden State buzzer last season? Kobe is, of course better at being the clutch go to guy. He's shown it season after season. Like Fisher said, its not amazing when you see Kobe do that. He does so often that it's not amazing. LeBron is only becoming a better shooter, and I think in due time will become a clutch type level player as Kobe is right now.
But LeBron I would say is the best defensive player in the league as of right now. Kobe has no chance in hell of becoming as good of a defender as Lebron.
Passing game is LeBron. Don't get me wrong, Kobe is a terrific passer, but not as good as LeBron.
You may also say that Kobe=4, LeBron=0.
Thats where I can't argue, but Fact;LeBron has never had as good of a supporting cast as Kobe has on his championship teams.
| supermario128 said: Haha. Lebron already takes over the game in the 4th quarter. Or have you not watched him play before? And as for not bringing his "A Game" Kobe needed 37 shots to get 32 points yesterday against Portland. No where near as good as Boston. What happened there? |
I never said he doesn't take the game over, but Kobe is just better at it IMO...imagine this, if the Cavs and Lakers are neck in neck in the fourth quarter, who will come out on top? The Lakers will of course...don't forget that the Cavs lost 4-2 against the Magic last year in the playoffs and Lebron couldn't stop them...if it were Kobe, you knew he would have made sure that they win...that being said, Lebron is one of the best players of all time and might eventually be better than Kobe when he reaches that age...the fact that he can actually compete with Kobe and is so young is super impressive.
Sephiroth357 said:
LeBron plays very well againts Boston. Post big 3, or prior to the big 3. Why? You know, The Truth. He has a tendency to fade in games against the lakers though. And as far as Orlando goes, he's a beast againts them. Kobe is the best offensive player in the game right now, no arguing there.He's clutch. But LeBron can also be clutch. Remember game 2 of the Eastern Confrence finals buzzer last season(the best I've seen personally)? Remember Golden State buzzer last season? Kobe is, of course better at being the clutch go to guy. He's shown it season after season. Like Fisher said, its not amazing when you see Kobe do that. He does so often that it's not amazing. LeBron is only becoming a better shooter, and I think in due time will become a clutch type level player as Kobe is right now. But LeBron I would say is the best defensive player in the league as of right now. Kobe has no chance in hell of becoming as good of a defender as Lebron. Passing game is LeBron. Don't get me wrong, Kobe is a terrific passer, but not as good as LeBron.
You may also say that Kobe=4, LeBron=0. Thats where I can't argue, but Fact;LeBron has never had as good of a supporting cast as Kobe has on his championship teams. |
Agree with you 110 percent...Kobe is a great defender but Lebron is just on another level...and yes, he is also a better passer, his 8 assists (I think that's what it is) are proof of that.
| PhantomLink said: Michael Jordan Scottie Pippen Dennis Rodman Toni Kukoc Luc Longley |
No Bird, no Magic? Oh wait, thats the Chicago roster. LOL
| CrimsonRevolver said: Someone should make a football version of this thread. |
No someone should make Gia online. A boxxybabe one.
| supermario128 said: Garnett and Duncan you could make an argument for about 5 years ago. But he is asking who are the best player's TODAY. And you have to be crazy to take either of them over the young Howard and Bosh who are both playing amazingly. Duncan himself admitted he was getting slower and wasn't as good as he used to be. And Nash over Paul is just crazy. |
Yes, I read the question correctly. One can still make arguments for Garnett and Duncan now. Duncan might have admitted he is slower, but he is still damn good. Both Duncan and Howard are good defenders/rebounders. However, Duncan is markedly better on offense than Dwight. Duncan has an array of post moves and is also an adept passer out of the post. Howard is severely limited offensively.
PF is the hardest position for me to decide. They all excel in certain areas. Personally, I give Garnett the nod because of his defense. Bosh can defend the pick and roll and is a decent help defender, but he is a poor post defender. Nevertheless, Bosh is having an excellent year and deserves to be in the discussion. Honestly, PF is too close for me to argue for any of them.
| Sephiroth357 said: Kobe is overrated on defense. Kobe is overrated period. People talk about him being better than Jordan. Really? Kobe is not better than LeBron. Fact: Look at the Lakers prior to the Gasol trade. Garbage. Kobe is overrated much like the rest of the Lakers.
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Yes, a long list composed of players you think are better than Kobe on defense. However, I never stated Kobe was a top-ten defender; I am confused as to why you are refuting something I did not state. I said he had the ability to be a top-ten defender, and that he was when he focused his energy on that end-such as the end of games. Yes, I agree Kobe is currently (slightly) overrated on defense. Understandably, he now has to reserve himself on defense to remain fresh on offense. However, Kobe is not overrated period. His place in history is commensurate with his accomplishments. He is a prolific scorer and a good defender. He deserves the praise he receives.
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