Agree. Mario (and Zelda) has been overrated today. It is the same thing over and over again and I have always said SMB3 is the best in series. It is the name that sells not the quality. Sure NSMBW had the multiplayer going (god how long did we wait for that on a 2D Mario, over 20 years?) but really offered nothing new when compared to SMB3. LBP has sackboy which is really lovable and the customization left and right to the point that you can create almost entirely new games and mimic others (MGS) adds sooooo much replayability. Of course any Wii fan will attack anything that is not Mario. Hats off to Mario 64 and SMG for trying something different. I feel that I grew out of the Mario phase during the SNES era while many people are either still stuck in that phase or are still young and in the phase. 

Other games could have shined had it not been for the blind following Mario carries, for example Kid Chameleon. I mean the vast amount and variety of helmets almost completely changed gameplay (had a pretty decent story for a platformer too). Then you have other gems like Bonk, which unfortunately was in the dying Turbo Graphix 16. Hell even Blue's Journey had more depth (although I consider it a Mario ripoff that did it better though) with certain RPG'ish elements from a more expensive system, the Neo Geo. 

Ratchet and Clank can be considered a platformer but with lots of shooting elements and some RPG'ish elements which I consider a superior game in just about all aspects, down to the tight controls and vast storyline (yes fun gameplay). But anyways to each his own. Once people wake up and branch out to other games of the genre they will realize there are amazing gems to be had (I doubt most will now that Wii is on top), so to an extent I feel that it just kills gaming. It's as if we were still playing Pac-Man with some better graphics (I know, not a platformer but for sake of time comparison). 

Ok, I guess NSMB is the better platformer as a level creator, multiplayer, and play/create/share are not prerequisites for being a platformer.

Level Variety may help its case but NSMBWii and NSMB has plenty of that too.

In short, be more descriptive.

Agree. Mario (and Zelda) has been overrated today. It is the same thing over and over again and I have always said SMB3 is the best in series. It is the name that sells not the quality. Sure NSMBW had the multiplayer going (god how long did we wait for that on a 2D Mario, over 20 years?) but really offered nothing new when compared to SMB3. LBP has sackboy which is really lovable and the customization left and right to the point that you can create almost entirely new games and mimic others (MGS) adds sooooo much replayability. Of course any Wii fan will attack anything that is not Mario. Hats off to Mario 64 and SMG for trying something different. I feel that I grew out of the Mario phase during the SNES era while many people are either still stuck in that phase or are still young and in the phase.

Other games could have shined had it not been for the blind following Mario carries, for example Kid Chameleon. I mean the vast amount and variety of helmets almost completely changed gameplay (had a pretty decent story for a platformer too). Then you have other gems like Bonk, which unfortunately was in the dying Turbo Graphix 16. Hell even Blue's Journey had more depth (although I consider it a Mario ripoff that did it better though) with certain RPG'ish elements from a more expensive system, the Neo Geo.

Ratchet and Clank can be considered a platformer but with lots of shooting elements and some RPG'ish elements which I consider a superior game in just about all aspects, down to the tight controls and vast storyline (yes fun gameplay). But anyways to each his own. Once people wake up and branch out to other games of the genre they will realize there are amazing gems to be had (I doubt most will now that Wii is on top), so to an extent I feel that it just kills gaming. It's as if we were still playing Pac-Man with some better graphics (I know, not a platformer but for sake of time comparison).

3D Mario can be pitted against perhaps Ratchet and Clank series minus the shooting I guess but the platforming elements are soooo much fun as well. Funny people mention NSMBW as if it has done anything new outside and outfit or 2 and the multiplayer element which was way overdue anyways.

Going by your logic, then every R&C game is the same fucking game over and over. All it adds are 8 new weapons each game. That is it. Would you care to admit to that or are you a damn hypocrite?

 SMB3 was the revolutionizing Mario title. All NSMBW did was take most of its inspiration from SMB3 (best in series) and make nods to the other Mario's, THAT'S IT! It's the same over and over again and anyone who doesn't see that is blinded by the fact that it's a long standing franchise and mascot of Nintendo.

No, it is not the same over and over. It has different features, different mechanics, different powerups, different levels. It's the same for every sequel. What do you want, for the game to change its basic premise so that it isn't just more platforming which you so seem to despise. Would you rather it be a shooter? You're fucking calling out that it has the same premise when every sequel does that.

LBP is the better platformer as it also has alot of puzzles that use the physics elements very well. And funny you mention the "play/create/share are not prerequisite for being a platformer" when that in itself adds depth to the point you can pretty much mimic anything in the 2D Mario series if you choose to or break away from anything created.

Totally irrelevant points.

It's like saying the minigames in SMB3 or the choosing a different path in SMB3 are not prerequisite for being a platformer, when in fact those are elements that add further depth just like LBP's level creation and challenging others to try out your levels and multiple challenges. Hell if you choose to you can create the platformer of your dreams.

Still not much relevance.

There is not much level variety to NSMB or NSMBW as it all has been rehashed from SMB1 and SMB3 down to the switching sides of the screen. To another extent almost anything in the Ratchet and Clank can also rival it. 

You're fucking kidding right? Grass, desert, ice, sky, water, mountain, jungle, lava, and Star world. It's not just rehashed levels, each and EVERY level is new and was thought out by the Nintendo team. And it does not matter what you think can rival it, your personal opinion does not matter in factual debates.

In short, would you like me to be "more descriptive?". Would you like me to go more in depth, or even bring out games from the 16 bit era that were also of higher quality? See I try to be open minded when it comes to games.

Yeah right.

I wasn't one that would sit and play Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest and ignored the rest of the RPG's such as Xenogears, Valkyrie Profile, Wild Arms, Vagrant Story, Suikoden, Legend of Legaia etc. I break away from being the typical blinded person that clings to whatever mascot my favorite system has.

Just because you're a rampant non-conformist doesn't make those games any better. Just because it doesn't have Final Fantasy in the title doesn't automatically make it awesome.

I had a PS1 and never owned an N64, but that never stopped me from sleeping over my cousin's house to play OOT and Majora's Mask, nor the countless drunk nights playing some Golden Eye and Perfect Dark. I recognize quality over anything else. I dislike the xbox and what it represents as far as M$'s other attempt at cornering another market, but that didn't stop me from enjoying Jade Empire, Advent Rising, KOTOR or Fable 1, and then the 360 with Gears of War 1 and to a lesser extent Halo 3 and LO.

I thought you were open-minded?

As much as I love Uncharted series or Demon's Souls, or anything Sony exclusive, it will never blind me from recognizing the next better game that comes from other systems because I am a gamer first, unlike many I see here.

You like anything Sony exclusive? Well that gives me my opinion on you, you Sony-adhering, Nintendo bashing, blind gamer.

3D Mario can be pitted against perhaps Ratchet and Clank series minus the shooting I guess but the platforming elements are soooo much fun as well. Funny people mention NSMBW as if it has done anything new outside and outfit or 2 and the multiplayer element which was way overdue anyways. SMB3 was the revolutionizing Mario title. All NSMBW did was take most of its inspiration from SMB3 (best in series) and make nods to the other Mario's, THAT'S IT! It's the same over and over again and anyone who doesn't see that is blinded by the fact that it's a long standing franchise and mascot of Nintendo. LBP is the better platformer as it also has alot of puzzles that use the physics elements very well. And funny you mention the "play/create/share are not prerequisite for being a platformer" when that in itself adds depth to the point you can pretty much mimic anything in the 2D Mario series if you choose to or break away from anything created. It's like saying the minigames in SMB3 or the choosing a different path in SMB3 are not prerequisite for being a platformer, when in fact those are elements that add further depth just like LBP's level creation and challenging others to try out your levels and multiple challenges. Hell if you choose to you can create the platformer of your dreams. There is not much level variety to NSMB or NSMBW as it all has been rehashed from SMB1 and SMB3 down to the switching sides of the screen. To another extent almost anything in the Ratchet and Clank can also rival it. 

In short, would you like me to be "more descriptive?". Would you like me to go more in depth, or even bring out games from the 16 bit era that were also of higher quality? See I try to be open minded when it comes to games. I wasn't one that would sit and play Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest and ignored the rest of the RPG's such as Xenogears, Valkyrie Profile, Wild Arms, Vagrant Story, Suikoden, Legend of Legaia etc. I break away from being the typical blinded person that clings to whatever mascot my favorite system has. I had a PS1 and never owned an N64, but that never stopped me from sleeping over my cousin's house to play OOT and Majora's Mask, nor the countless drunk nights playing some Golden Eye and Perfect Dark. I recognize quality over anything else. I dislike the xbox and what it represents as far as M$'s other attempt at cornering another market, but that didn't stop me from enjoying Jade Empire, Advent Rising, KOTOR or Fable 1, and then the 360 with Gears of War 1 and to a lesser extent Halo 3 and LO.

As much as I love Uncharted series or Demon's Souls, or anything Sony exclusive, it will never blind me from recognizing the next better game that comes from other systems because I am a gamer first, unlike many I see here.