darthdevidem01 said: selnor said: darthdevidem01 said: selnor said: darthdevidem01 said: FF12 had love story but it didnt do anything with it. As for gameplay being dumbed down. Yes it is. For a start in FF13 there is absolutely no punishment for dying. You revert back to right before the battle you dies in and not your last save. That is dumbed down to the highest degree. And well most of the reports I have read say the combat is excruciatingly easy as is the game itself. Even heard reports of 30 hours to finish the game. Almost no bosses providing a challenge, and barely no grinding needed. That unfortunately is dumbed down. No exploration at all. Even 12 had exploration. That was 12's saving grace. I hope I enjoy it. But all the reports of missing gameplay, no overworld at all, no villages to stumble upon, no NPC's, no shops etc are all what made FF back in the day. My following comment is not a console war one, but a JRPG saving one. I am thankful that Mistwalker exist. They have kept the traditional combat as well as fantastic storytelling. How much of that is down to Hironobu is up to you. But the fact that FF was entirely his creation in the beginning and almost every FF from 1 - 9 had him create the story and game design is quite big. It's like having someone else take over Star Wars and making another 3 of them. Look at what happened to Rare. All I'm saying is it's obvious when you play through FF10 or 12 that they are vastly different to previous FF's. Some people are fine with that. But  know loads that aren't. And m,any forums are full with long serving fans that aren't. Although they readily admit they still buy the next installment with hope. But it seems FF13 has taken an even further step away from it's roots. I would even say Lost Odyssey itself has more in common with the FF's of Snes and Ps1 days than FF10-13 does. 1. Yeah so what, you said FF's since 10 put HUGE focus on love story, yet they really haven't. FF4, , FF8, FF9 had more of a love story than FF12 2. Punishment for dying? no wait you actually ENJOYED wasting time going back to the main menu, clicking load game & load file, waiting to load & then seeing the LOOOOONG cut scene before the boss battles........oooookay. I DO NOT see this as dumbed down at all. 3. 30 hours to finish the game.....have you heard more reports from proffessional reviewers & many more gamers saying its very hard? Ok lets leave that, MGS4 can apprently be finished in 2 hours too. All I know is that challenge is in the end relative, many many more people said its hard than easy. 4. Exploration....hmmmmm....in story mode you always have to go from point A to point B....yes there is no world map, that is what makes it seem very linear. I do not mind there being no exploration, as apart from pokemon I haven't bothered to explore in JRPG's, I usually go & do what the story tells me to do, or in the case of FF7 back then I got lost. YES its a negative to some. 5. No villages & town......the story of the game doesn't allow you to sit 7 have a nice chat with people in random towns. The world of FFXIII doesn't have many towns at all, pulse from the "pre release info from square is inhabited". no NPC's is a downright lie, there are NPC's no shops.....everything is done through online things as cocoon is big on online shopping, its the future deal with it . But TBH this is the only aspect where I'll agree they probably "dumbed down" the game. But seriously having no shops is no dealbreaker at all & if people are whining about it the games gotta be amazing as "no shops" atleast in my eyes is no biggie FF 1 - 10 were with sakaguchi. He was very much involved with FFX too. And lost oddesy....yes it may have more in common with FF than FF12 & posibly FF10 did...but so what, thats why it got lower review scores, it was been there done that. Times change, accept it, I welcome change with FFXIII The been there done that attitude is what is killing the JRPG. JRPG formula doesnt need to change. Turn based combat is it's forbiding trade mark, it has it's relative tatics that go with it. The formula isnt old, it's how it's used. The punishment for dying again may have it's clause for sitting through a boss cutscene again, but what about when not at a boss? Sometimes you can play a JRPG for an hour not have a save point and all of a sudden hit some hard enemy. You are really trying tio stay alive. In FF13 you die and just get put right back before the fight. Whereas before your punishment for you not getting the tactics right was an hour of gaming gone. Also how many times do I have to show that FF10 had as much input from Hironobu Sakaguchi as water does to start a fire. Hironobu Sakaguchi was the original concept idea and story for all the following Final Fantasies: FF1 FF2 FF4 FF5 FF6 FF7 FF9 He also was the origin of Parasite Eve. A fantastic game. He had less involvment with Final Fantasy 3, but even so he was the Director for that game. He still had alot of input. It's common knowledge that Hironobu took a back seat for Final Fantasy 8 and 10. He was merely Executive Producer on these games. He had very little input in the way the game played and what them story was for these 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hironobu_Sakaguchi yes he was executive producer, STILL involved with the project & since when has FFX been panned for its story? FFX is the 2nd most popular Final Fantasy right behind FF7 FYI It had an amazing & emotional story with one of the best endings ever The only Final Fantasy that has been criticized for  weak story by many many critics & fans is FF12...surprisingly from the FF tactics team that does great stories _____ Onto dying: "you are really trying to stay alive", & your not otherwise, if I'm near the end of a dungeon & I die on an enemy (not a boss) & restart the battle (in FFXIII) I will still TRY to kill it to progress in the game I do not need a game over screen & a start from a save point 20 min away from the point where I died to "make me try to stay alive", thats just a nuisance & wastes my time, one of the things I WANTED FF to have was "saving at any point" like pokemon & WRPG's to avoid that, but instead they decided to let us replay battles, I'm fine with this solution

FF10's story was fairly weak. FF4, 6, 7 and 2 all had better stories. 6 was fantastic, the best of the bunch. 7 was next followed by 4. I much prefer 8 over 10. The only reason 10 sold well was becasue it was PS2's first FF game. But many fans dont rate it that well in terms of FF games. The ones who do ( and this is not a critizing remark ) are young teens. People who never played FF1-6. Remeber they were Nes and Snes titles. Ive heard many on this very forum say they joined gaming on PS1or PS2. As for punishment for dying discussion. Well for me kniowing I'll lose nothing for dying will not make me fret at all in battle with the game. Dont get me wrong, I am buying this day 1. But from everything I know the game has changed or lost from what FF is, it's all the things I love about FF. GRINDING FOR THE WORLD!

selnor said: FF10's story was fairly weak. FF4, 6, 7 and 2 all had better stories. 6 was fantastic, the best of the bunch. 7 was next followed by 4. I much prefer 8 over 10. The only reason 10 sold well was becasue it was PS2's first FF game. But many fans dont rate it that well in terms of FF games. The ones who do ( and this is not a critizing remark ) are young teens. People who never played FF1-6. Remeber they were Nes and Snes titles. Ive heard many on this very forum say they joined gaming on PS1or PS2. As for punishment for dying discussion. Well for me kniowing I'll lose nothing for dying will not make me fret at all in battle with the game. Dont get me wrong, I am buying this day 1. But from everything I know the game has changed or lost from what FF is, it's all the things I love about FF. GRINDING FOR THE WORLD!

1. No it wasn't weak at all, thats your opinion which is in the minority

2. FF10 is VGchartz 11th best game ever, behind FF7 & FF6 (I think behind FF6 too).....so your wrong again

3. In japanese Famitsu & other polls FFX is one of their favorite games ever (its in the top 10), FFX was in IGN's top 10 PS2 games of all time, placed very highly & regarded highly, same story on gamespot & 99% of the other sites, once again your wrong

4. I hope you enjoy it, go into the game with an open minded view

Finally, the VAST MAJORITY of FF fans have proven through internet & seperate site polls that FFX is the 2nd most popular one behind FF7, & some times its 3rd most likes behind FF6 & FF7

Your hate for the game doesn't let you see that

darthdevidem01 said: selnor said: FF10's story was fairly weak. FF4, 6, 7 and 2 all had better stories. 6 was fantastic, the best of the bunch. 7 was next followed by 4. I much prefer 8 over 10. The only reason 10 sold well was becasue it was PS2's first FF game. But many fans dont rate it that well in terms of FF games. The ones who do ( and this is not a critizing remark ) are young teens. People who never played FF1-6. Remeber they were Nes and Snes titles. Ive heard many on this very forum say they joined gaming on PS1or PS2. As for punishment for dying discussion. Well for me kniowing I'll lose nothing for dying will not make me fret at all in battle with the game. Dont get me wrong, I am buying this day 1. But from everything I know the game has changed or lost from what FF is, it's all the things I love about FF. GRINDING FOR THE WORLD! 1. No it wasn't weak at all, thats your opinion which is in the minority 2. FF10 is VGchartz 11th best game ever, behind FF7 & FF6 (I think behind FF6 too).....so your wrong again 3. In japanese Famitsu & other polls FFX is one of their favorite games ever (its in the top 10), FFX was in IGN's top 10 PS2 games of all time, placed very highly & regarded highly, same story on gamespot & 99% of the other sites, once again your wrong 4. I hope you enjoy it, go into the game with an open minded view Finally, the VAST MAJORITY of FF fans have proven through internet & seperate site polls that FFX is the 2nd most popular one behind FF7, & some times its 3rd most likes behind FF6 & FF7 Your hate for the game doesn't let you see that

It's probably because I dont regard IGN or Gamespot as a place to kind to find real fans of RPG's. Places like RPGGamer have great forums with loads of FF10 dissing. Just a note. I would expect FF10 to rate highly amongst IGN users and the like. Many of these users are likely to be younger. Probably never used IGN when it was known as N64HQ. Did you know it was called that? Most voting probably never played FF2 or even FF4. Just like for racing games I only ever use ISR for reviews. Because they review only driving games and have a system accordingly.

selnor said: darthdevidem01 said: selnor said: FF10's story was fairly weak. FF4, 6, 7 and 2 all had better stories. 6 was fantastic, the best of the bunch. 7 was next followed by 4. I much prefer 8 over 10. The only reason 10 sold well was becasue it was PS2's first FF game. But many fans dont rate it that well in terms of FF games. The ones who do ( and this is not a critizing remark ) are young teens. People who never played FF1-6. Remeber they were Nes and Snes titles. Ive heard many on this very forum say they joined gaming on PS1or PS2. As for punishment for dying discussion. Well for me kniowing I'll lose nothing for dying will not make me fret at all in battle with the game. Dont get me wrong, I am buying this day 1. But from everything I know the game has changed or lost from what FF is, it's all the things I love about FF. GRINDING FOR THE WORLD! 1. No it wasn't weak at all, thats your opinion which is in the minority 2. FF10 is VGchartz 11th best game ever, behind FF7 & FF6 (I think behind FF6 too).....so your wrong again 3. In japanese Famitsu & other polls FFX is one of their favorite games ever (its in the top 10), FFX was in IGN's top 10 PS2 games of all time, placed very highly & regarded highly, same story on gamespot & 99% of the other sites, once again your wrong 4. I hope you enjoy it, go into the game with an open minded view Finally, the VAST MAJORITY of FF fans have proven through internet & seperate site polls that FFX is the 2nd most popular one behind FF7, & some times its 3rd most likes behind FF6 & FF7 Your hate for the game doesn't let you see that It's probably because I dont regard IGN or Gamespot as a place to kind to find real fans of RPG's. Places like RPGGamer have great forums with loads of FF10 dissing. Just a note. I would expect FF10 to rate highly amongst IGN users and the like. Many of these users are likely to be younger. Probably never used IGN when it was known as N64HQ. Did you know it was called that? Most voting probably never played FF2 or even FF4. Just like for racing games I only ever use ISR for reviews. Because they review only driving games and have a system accordingly.

1. Young gamers are dumb? are they not allowed to judge games, or FF's? thats very insulting selnor

2. FF fans can be young & old

3. Once again RPG fans can be young or old & the vast majority wise FFX is the 2nd most popular & liked one

Finally whats a real RPG fan? tell me what you need to get membership into such groups that most of the time love games that sell 5 copies?

@ Selnor: Hmmm, don't know about the lax of difficulty since I heard it was actually different especially in the later stages.

darthdevidem01 said: selnor said: darthdevidem01 said: selnor said: FF10's story was fairly weak. FF4, 6, 7 and 2 all had better stories. 6 was fantastic, the best of the bunch. 7 was next followed by 4. I much prefer 8 over 10. The only reason 10 sold well was becasue it was PS2's first FF game. But many fans dont rate it that well in terms of FF games. The ones who do ( and this is not a critizing remark ) are young teens. People who never played FF1-6. Remeber they were Nes and Snes titles. Ive heard many on this very forum say they joined gaming on PS1or PS2. As for punishment for dying discussion. Well for me kniowing I'll lose nothing for dying will not make me fret at all in battle with the game. Dont get me wrong, I am buying this day 1. But from everything I know the game has changed or lost from what FF is, it's all the things I love about FF. GRINDING FOR THE WORLD! 1. No it wasn't weak at all, thats your opinion which is in the minority 2. FF10 is VGchartz 11th best game ever, behind FF7 & FF6 (I think behind FF6 too).....so your wrong again 3. In japanese Famitsu & other polls FFX is one of their favorite games ever (its in the top 10), FFX was in IGN's top 10 PS2 games of all time, placed very highly & regarded highly, same story on gamespot & 99% of the other sites, once again your wrong 4. I hope you enjoy it, go into the game with an open minded view Finally, the VAST MAJORITY of FF fans have proven through internet & seperate site polls that FFX is the 2nd most popular one behind FF7, & some times its 3rd most likes behind FF6 & FF7 Your hate for the game doesn't let you see that It's probably because I dont regard IGN or Gamespot as a place to kind to find real fans of RPG's. Places like RPGGamer have great forums with loads of FF10 dissing. Just a note. I would expect FF10 to rate highly amongst IGN users and the like. Many of these users are likely to be younger. Probably never used IGN when it was known as N64HQ. Did you know it was called that? Most voting probably never played FF2 or even FF4. Just like for racing games I only ever use ISR for reviews. Because they review only driving games and have a system accordingly. 1. Young gamers are dumb? are they not allowed to judge games, or FF's? thats very insulting selnor 2. FF fans can be young & old 3. Once again RPG fans can be young or old & the vast majority wise FFX is the 2nd most popular & liked one Finally whats a real RPG fan? tell me what you need to get membership into such groups that most of the time love games that sell 5 copies?

Maybe real RPG fans was unfair. I am not meaning to offend younger gamers. My point was many of those have not experienced The Nes and Snes FF's. So it's hard for them to have many votes as a game where all gamers will have played. Do you see what I'm trying to say?

selnor said: darthdevidem01 said: selnor said: darthdevidem01 said: selnor said: FF10's story was fairly weak. FF4, 6, 7 and 2 all had better stories. 6 was fantastic, the best of the bunch. 7 was next followed by 4. I much prefer 8 over 10. The only reason 10 sold well was becasue it was PS2's first FF game. But many fans dont rate it that well in terms of FF games. The ones who do ( and this is not a critizing remark ) are young teens. People who never played FF1-6. Remeber they were Nes and Snes titles. Ive heard many on this very forum say they joined gaming on PS1or PS2. As for punishment for dying discussion. Well for me kniowing I'll lose nothing for dying will not make me fret at all in battle with the game. Dont get me wrong, I am buying this day 1. But from everything I know the game has changed or lost from what FF is, it's all the things I love about FF. GRINDING FOR THE WORLD! 1. No it wasn't weak at all, thats your opinion which is in the minority 2. FF10 is VGchartz 11th best game ever, behind FF7 & FF6 (I think behind FF6 too).....so your wrong again 3. In japanese Famitsu & other polls FFX is one of their favorite games ever (its in the top 10), FFX was in IGN's top 10 PS2 games of all time, placed very highly & regarded highly, same story on gamespot & 99% of the other sites, once again your wrong 4. I hope you enjoy it, go into the game with an open minded view Finally, the VAST MAJORITY of FF fans have proven through internet & seperate site polls that FFX is the 2nd most popular one behind FF7, & some times its 3rd most likes behind FF6 & FF7 Your hate for the game doesn't let you see that It's probably because I dont regard IGN or Gamespot as a place to kind to find real fans of RPG's. Places like RPGGamer have great forums with loads of FF10 dissing. Just a note. I would expect FF10 to rate highly amongst IGN users and the like. Many of these users are likely to be younger. Probably never used IGN when it was known as N64HQ. Did you know it was called that? Most voting probably never played FF2 or even FF4. Just like for racing games I only ever use ISR for reviews. Because they review only driving games and have a system accordingly. 1. Young gamers are dumb? are they not allowed to judge games, or FF's? thats very insulting selnor 2. FF fans can be young & old 3. Once again RPG fans can be young or old & the vast majority wise FFX is the 2nd most popular & liked one Finally whats a real RPG fan? tell me what you need to get membership into such groups that most of the time love games that sell 5 copies? Maybe real RPG fans was unfair. I am not meaning to offend younger gamers. My point was many of those have not experienced The Nes and Snes FF's. So it's hard for them to have many votes as a game where all gamers will have played. Do you see what I'm trying to say?

If you mean gamers that you know have similar tastes to yours I know what you mean

I never realized that so many VGChartz users are much too manly for love stories.

 

By the way Selnor, I have been a JRPG gamer for a very very long time with some of my all time favorites being FFVI, Xenogears, Vagrant Story and Lunar: SSSC. I happened to absolutely love FFX, from the linear storyline to the story of love between Tidus and Yuna, ABSOLUTELY LOVED Blitzball and was genuinely upset during the ending to the game.

 

Am I not a real RPG fan?

 

Of course I am an RPG fan but I also understand that not everyone likes the same thing. You're not going to really find games loved universally by everyone. Everything has it's haters, just as FFX did and just like FFXIII will have.

 

Plenty of people don't even like FFIX and even more don't enjoy what people here think is a masterpiece, Lost Odyssey. I for example thought once it hit disc 4 it became such an unbearable borefest.

I am happy with the sphere grid look a like.

The visuals look very good.

I am concerned about the music and the plot. So far it sound meh for me.

And also don't like the afro guy...But I said the same about Janssen from Lost Odyssey (at the end of the game I started to like him).

Well we will know it soon.

@Darth: Onna76 don't like this game.

Soriku said: darthdevidem01 said: both of you forgot Nomura doesn't have much to do with FFXIII corrected for Versus XIII: What I'm expecting most of the basic plot to be. "I love you, Stella." "I love you, Noctis." -both kiss- Directed by Tetsuya Nomura Sorry darth, Noctis and Stella don't have that kind of relationship in Versus. It's more like: "I love my belts." "I love my zippers." -kisses both belts and zippers- Directed by Tetsuya Nomura Actually Versus doesn't seem to have many belts/zippers this time :o The clothes aren't designed by Nomura though.

no?

I was expecting an epic rome + juliet feud thingy!

they were the heirs of 2 warring kingdoms aren't they

or are you just jealous noctis gets stella who isn't as beautiful as lightning?!!!!!