@jarrod

 I would appreciate ONE good Rail Shooter on the PS3 with a Lightgun or Gem and I think a lot of others would buy one too. And DC with HD graphics and Gem could sell 500k-1Mln.

lol, no.  Time Crisis 4 with the Gun.com3 already crashed and burned (though it's since crawled to a decent amount at steep discount), any future lightgunner will share a similar fate.  Hell, none of the PS2 RE gun games were coming anywhere near a million... Umbrella Chronicles was an unheralded success, Capcom's never had a lightgun game sell even close to it (and likely never will again).

A PS3 DSC would assuredly sell worse than it has on Wii.  Hell, Capcom's only expecting 300k for RE5AE, which is a far cry from RE4WE's 1.5m+.

@KylieDog
You did it again. When you don't have arguments, you simply ignore some posts and try to turn the winds to your favor.

You said that The Conduit had a lot of advertising but that's a lie, this game had a 20 seconds ad in the worst time (at daybreak as I said before), and that's all that The Conduit had.

Dazkarieh said that you can't compare both marketings (and he is right, Haze had advertising even outside TV and internet). You simply ignored that.

Show me that you aren't just seeing the bad side for the Wii because you are ignoring a lot of good arguments.

The Conduit had decent advertising. The problem is that the game itself is borderline shovelware (though it has some decent tech). Still, High Voltage is thriving while Free Radical nearly closed up before getting bought for next to nothing, so it's somewhat intellectually dishonest to say Haze was genuinely more successful.

Did they advertise the game? I sure didn't see a commercial for the game.

If they didn't then they can't whine about it. EVERY third party whines about games on the Wii not selling. But it always seems to come back to them trying EVERYTHING except advertising. And the games that DO advertise sell in the millions. It just turns out that the only ones that do are junk like 'Carnival Games' and 'My Sims Agents'.

Stop blaming the Wii and open your wallets to some marketing. You'll do it for your multi-million dollar HD games which probably don't even need extra hype, so why not these games which you call 'lacking'?

mispost

This says is all about the differences between the consoles and their users - -and at the same time does not say it all

PS3 and Xbox 360 heavy users tend to want a new experience constantly, so you can sell certain genres well if you make the game pretty good.

Meanwhile, Wii users not to continuously go for the newest game out there. So the first game or two in a genre do well, but the imitators are not rewarded. Thus sports sequels and a second year of rail shooters do not sell.

Companies have to do what they think will be most profitable for themselves. What has happened right now is that following the pack -- which has been the modus operandi for so long among video game developers -- does not work on the Wii.  

Those who have figured that out and come out with something different first have been rewarded. How else could have Carnival Games sold so well (and all the subsequent carnival-based mini-game collections did not). Those who played follow the leader have not (see previous parenthetical comment).

The take away point is the Wii is different in terms of what sells and how it sells. And that means the old rules don't apply.

Mike from Morgantown

It's insane that lightgunners are even being compared to fps at all. Wii's the only console where the genre ever managed (briefly) 800k-1m+ for several entries, it's not like this this is an inherently huge genre that's always moved those sorts of units. It certainly never did on PS2.

It simply wasn't sustainable, especially for $49 releases (which the majority of previously susccessful releases weren't even). I mean, we're talking about a genre that peaked in 90s arcades and a general entry can be played through in an hour or two. On top of that, now even the "core" base on Wii (whatever that means) seems to be rejecting these titles out of principle. If you can't deliver a "real" Resident Evil or Dead Space, then don't bother...

I'd be willing to do a gentlmen's bet, but that's it. 

I believe Red Steel will sell 1 million, and MH3 will sell 500k.  Note: these numbers are for America and Others combined, and I include all of 2010 (in other words, we won't know for sure if I am right until Jan. 2011 or the games actually sell that amount).  I included the entire year because of the legendary Wii legs.   

I'd love to know what The Source or ioi believes these titles will sell-- so if anybody knows, please let me know as I am curious as to there thoughts on these two games.

Sorry for the tardy response.

3rd parties definitely did not take Wii seriously at first except Ubisoft which had two decent launch titles and followed with a dozen more (many rushed).   So at first, aside from Red Steel, this was true.    However many solid 3rd party core games did come to Wii - Godfather, Scarface, Bully, Splinter Cell: Double Agent, Prince of Persia, RE4, Manhunt, Tomb Raider Anniversary and many more.   Yes these were PS2 ports but most were also ported to 360 and in every case the 360 versions sold better (even considering userbase) despite the Wii versions being superior in some cases.  They were also unfairly rated poorly because the gaming press were accustomed to old play styles and didn't take to innovative controls.   It's not uncommon for some to complain that it's too hard to aim on Wii compared too dual analog.   That's stupid of course IR is much more precise but not to someone with years of experience with dual analog.  Wii was selling to Nintendo core and people sold on Wii Sports.    The core base was not flocking to Wii.   RE4 likely sold so well because RE was long a Nintendo exclusive franchise and long loved by the Nintendo core that bought Wii's for Zelda, etc.

This did not encourage 3rd parties to develop for Wii but many proceeded anyway but solid games take time so in wasn't until this year we started seeing this.   Now in '09 we've had Tenchu, Rygar (I know), HoTD:O (excellent), MadWorld (excellent), Dead Space: E (excellent), RE: DC (excellent), RE:Archives, RE:Zero, Silent Hill (which is a very solid game  not a spin-off or 'wiified' version and there's no excuse for this not selling well), Cursed Mountain, Little King Story, Conduit, Need for Speed: Nitro (another really good solid effort), F1 (also good), CoD:MWR and lastly FF:CC:CB (continuing the CC series from the Gamecube days and another exceptional effort) all of which have failed to produce anything close to impressive numbers.   Yes, CoD will likely sell a million, not impressive considering the title and the user base.   

As for your idea of RS2 and MH3 selling because they are giving Wii owners arcade like action - this did not work for DS:E, RE:DC, FF:CC:CB or NFS:N which all had the same idea.   I don't see why that would change for those two.

Red Steel MAY sell well for novelty reasons, like the first, if it's fun, accessible and easy enough for anyone to play.  This worked for Star Wars Clone Wars Lightsaber Battles at any rate.   MH3 MAY sell well if Nintendo can sell the social aspect.   Arcade action may help but it won't guarantee sales.

What people on this site like to ignore is that developers are not making these kinds of decisions blindly.  They were in '06 and '07 but now they have reams of market research and history to go on.  They know more about the make-up on the Wii userbase then anyone here.   They just don't know what to do with it.  

As for women playing Nintendo games, that was my point.  Nintendo has always made games for everyone.   Once upon a time, all developers did but that was long ago and they have lost touch.      

Oh, and I said $60 cause in Canada here it's sometimes $60 for a Wii game (depending on US exchange rates and the title).  No question Mario is still king on the game castle and Wii games (except Music) have all proven immensely popular.

Re: After market - that's been mentioned by some publishers based on their research.  I'm too tired and lazy to find a link but I'm not just pulling that out of my arse.   You'll notice there's a trend now to drop the price from $50 immediately to $20 or less  (Indiana Jones, Spyborgs) to target that market.  And some titles like Blazing Angels have had tremendous legs at that price point but flopped at $50.