ssj12: you do know that nintendo fans had to deal with it because Nintendo pissed off most 3rd party devs right..

Yeah I know, but does that change the fact that we had to deal with it?

nope, just shows you stuck with the bad guy of the industry. Why do you think now even though Sony is in last place this gen at the moment 3rd parties are willing to stick with Sony if Sony asks them to continue making games?

 The difference is that Nintendo pissed of 3rd parties, Sony pissed off consumers.

I take that bet... PS3 WW sales (Starting next week, until january 1) will not be bigger than xbox 360 WW sales...

Someone enlighten me what's been discussed in this thread the we don't already know...

PS3 IS DOOMED in more than 3/4 of the posts....

add some innovation guys...

just ben you're gonna lose that bet pretty badly.

sorry guys who said ps3 will out sell 360, thats pretty much bullshit. if you read the beginning of this thread right, he aid that 40gig sales suck, ratchet is selling disappointingly, and ps3 in general sales are back down again. i don't see ps3 outselling 360. period.

How's Nintendo the bad guy in industry? They practically invented the industry in the first place (after Atari screwed it up). You're probably too young too have grown up with Nintendo.

I don't see where you're heading anyway. I said that Ninetendo fans had to deal with the negativism for a long time. Sony fans are only 1 year in and complain already. You try to spin this somehow to 3rd parties, which isn't a really smart idea considering almost all 3rd party games that aren't MGS and FF are being multiplatform now.

If you want to be tough, why don't you take my bet about GTAIV a few posts back? 

Interesting it appears this thread was hijacked very early on. Which is a great shame we should be discussing exactly how critical these next few weeks are for Sony. They will decide so much for the console in the short and long term. We are the turning point of a particular console, and people are arguing that they do not like the conversation in the car.

You know it would have been nice to have actually read a real reply to the question backed with some intelligence. You know what would have been better some use of the analytical tools abundant on this site. Instead of a bunch of belly aching, and rubbing salt in wounds.

I wonder if this site needs a intelligent discourse forum. You know hidden in the back somewhere. Oh my god is there such a forum. Am I in the sink am I shrinking?

 I'm 20. I own an NES, SNES, Atari 2600, Commidore 64, Geneis, Saturn, Dreamcast. Honestly SEGA shouldnt have been the one who died back in the day. It should have been Nintendo. Sega had a much better product. Anyways...

I'm meaning third parties as them not ditching Sony completely. 

And no I already have a bet with Naz. Which.. idk if I'm going to win =/ FF7:CC isnt selling as I thought but its still doing ok I still have a shot.