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jarrod said:
Carl2291 said:
fwap said:
Carl2291 said:
jarrod said:
Carl2291 said:
PS3 and Wii being so close just goes to show how easily things can change.

Great numbers for most!

I was going to say the same for PSP and Wii. :P

No where near a bigger difference than what has happened with PS3 and Wii. 2007 numbers following...

Wii - 3,677,579
PSP - 3,061,395
PS3 - 1,218,612

2008...

PSP - 3,639,073
Wii - 2,888,251
PS3 - 1,000,838

2009...

PSP - 2,282,912
Wii - 1,987,526
PS3 - 1,795,568

I think 2010 could see PS3 > Wii in Japan.

PS3 best year vs. Wii worst year = Wii > PS3 by a sizeable margin.

This is why I don't share your prediction. I think PS3 peaked this year.

Isn't it alarming that the Wii had its worst year though, despite the biggest console game this gen (NSMB Wii). Monster Hunter 3, Black Wii, Pricecut, Tales of Graces, Wii Sports Resort/ Wii Fit Plus? I think the downward trend of Wii will continue, although it wont be too much lower. Of course though, if DQX releases... Plenty of crow coming my way.

Then though, what does Wii have confirmed in 2010?... I can name a whole bunch of moderately big games on PS3 in Q1/Q2 alone. Would like to know the Wii lineup if someone can help?

Well, the reason for that is the massive decline in the first half.  2nd half (ie: when all those factors you just listed actually came into play) Wii had a a generally flat or better performance than 2007 or 2008. 

And despite dropping massively, Wii's been narrowing the difference between it and PSP.  Last year they were nearly 800k apart, this year that's down to 300k.  Pretty notable, if Wii continues it's 2nd half turnaround and PSP continues it's general decline (which was consistent YOY bar a brief relief from the pricedrop), we'll see Wii overtake it for 2nd place next year.

Exactly... And that massive decline could very well happen again this year with the seeming lack of big SW releasing.

Look at 2007 sales where Wii outsold PSP by over 600k, and you will see how it isn't really surprising. But anyway, as i said... The difference between Wii and PS3 is of greater significance. Wii outsold PS3 by over 1.8 Million consoles in 2008. Wii outsold PS3 by 200k consoles in 2009.



                            

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Carl2291 said:

Exactly... And that massive decline could very well happen again this year with the seeming lack of big SW releasing.

You don't know what you're talking about here. 2010 has the best line-up yet for the Wii.



Carl2291 said:
jarrod said:
Carl2291 said:
fwap said:
Carl2291 said:
jarrod said:
Carl2291 said:
PS3 and Wii being so close just goes to show how easily things can change.

Great numbers for most!

I was going to say the same for PSP and Wii. :P

No where near a bigger difference than what has happened with PS3 and Wii. 2007 numbers following...

Wii - 3,677,579
PSP - 3,061,395
PS3 - 1,218,612

2008...

PSP - 3,639,073
Wii - 2,888,251
PS3 - 1,000,838

2009...

PSP - 2,282,912
Wii - 1,987,526
PS3 - 1,795,568

I think 2010 could see PS3 > Wii in Japan.

PS3 best year vs. Wii worst year = Wii > PS3 by a sizeable margin.

This is why I don't share your prediction. I think PS3 peaked this year.

Isn't it alarming that the Wii had its worst year though, despite the biggest console game this gen (NSMB Wii). Monster Hunter 3, Black Wii, Pricecut, Tales of Graces, Wii Sports Resort/ Wii Fit Plus? I think the downward trend of Wii will continue, although it wont be too much lower. Of course though, if DQX releases... Plenty of crow coming my way.

Then though, what does Wii have confirmed in 2010?... I can name a whole bunch of moderately big games on PS3 in Q1/Q2 alone. Would like to know the Wii lineup if someone can help?

Well, the reason for that is the massive decline in the first half.  2nd half (ie: when all those factors you just listed actually came into play) Wii had a a generally flat or better performance than 2007 or 2008. 

And despite dropping massively, Wii's been narrowing the difference between it and PSP.  Last year they were nearly 800k apart, this year that's down to 300k.  Pretty notable, if Wii continues it's 2nd half turnaround and PSP continues it's general decline (which was consistent YOY bar a brief relief from the pricedrop), we'll see Wii overtake it for 2nd place next year.

Exactly... And that massive decline could very well happen again this year with the seeming lack of big SW releasing.

Look at 2007 sales where Wii outsold PSP by over 600k, and you will see how it isn't really surprising. But anyway, as i said... The difference between Wii and PS3 is of greater significance. Wii outsold PS3 by over 1.8 Million consoles in 2008. Wii outsold PS3 by 200k consoles in 2009.

Last year's decline was on the back of Nintendo's disappointing 2nd half lineup for 2008, it was the failure of Wii Music and Animal Crossing to maintain momentum as planned.  This year's a pretty different situation, with Sports Resort, Fit Plus and (especially) NSMB all heavily driving hardware.  Wii's Q1 is pretty uneventful, though by comparison PS3 and PSP are blowing their loads in Q1 (MGS, KH, Yakuza, GT).  Even considering all that, the best selling Q1 game will still probably go to a Nintendo system (DQVI).



Carl2291 said:
jarrod said:
Carl2291 said:
fwap said:
Carl2291 said:
jarrod said:
Carl2291 said:
PS3 and Wii being so close just goes to show how easily things can change.

Great numbers for most!

I was going to say the same for PSP and Wii. :P

No where near a bigger difference than what has happened with PS3 and Wii. 2007 numbers following...

Wii - 3,677,579
PSP - 3,061,395
PS3 - 1,218,612

2008...

PSP - 3,639,073
Wii - 2,888,251
PS3 - 1,000,838

2009...

PSP - 2,282,912
Wii - 1,987,526
PS3 - 1,795,568

I think 2010 could see PS3 > Wii in Japan.

PS3 best year vs. Wii worst year = Wii > PS3 by a sizeable margin.

This is why I don't share your prediction. I think PS3 peaked this year.

Isn't it alarming that the Wii had its worst year though, despite the biggest console game this gen (NSMB Wii). Monster Hunter 3, Black Wii, Pricecut, Tales of Graces, Wii Sports Resort/ Wii Fit Plus? I think the downward trend of Wii will continue, although it wont be too much lower. Of course though, if DQX releases... Plenty of crow coming my way.

Then though, what does Wii have confirmed in 2010?... I can name a whole bunch of moderately big games on PS3 in Q1/Q2 alone. Would like to know the Wii lineup if someone can help?

Well, the reason for that is the massive decline in the first half.  2nd half (ie: when all those factors you just listed actually came into play) Wii had a a generally flat or better performance than 2007 or 2008. 

And despite dropping massively, Wii's been narrowing the difference between it and PSP.  Last year they were nearly 800k apart, this year that's down to 300k.  Pretty notable, if Wii continues it's 2nd half turnaround and PSP continues it's general decline (which was consistent YOY bar a brief relief from the pricedrop), we'll see Wii overtake it for 2nd place next year.

Exactly... And that massive decline could very well happen again this year with the seeming lack of big SW releasing.

Look at 2007 sales where Wii outsold PSP by over 600k, and you will see how it isn't really surprising. But anyway, as i said... The difference between Wii and PS3 is of greater significance. Wii outsold PS3 by over 1.8 Million consoles in 2008. Wii outsold PS3 by 200k consoles in 2009.

The Slim released, a $100 price reduction, Tales of Vesperia, and Final Fantasy opened. Those are the major reasons the PS3 came somewhat close to the Wii.



fwap said:
Carl2291 said:
fwap said:
Carl2291 said:
jarrod said:
Carl2291 said:
PS3 and Wii being so close just goes to show how easily things can change.

Great numbers for most!

I was going to say the same for PSP and Wii. :P

No where near a bigger difference than what has happened with PS3 and Wii. 2007 numbers following...

Wii - 3,677,579
PSP - 3,061,395
PS3 - 1,218,612

2008...

PSP - 3,639,073
Wii - 2,888,251
PS3 - 1,000,838

2009...

PSP - 2,282,912
Wii - 1,987,526
PS3 - 1,795,568

I think 2010 could see PS3 > Wii in Japan.

PS3 best year vs. Wii worst year = Wii > PS3 by a sizeable margin.

This is why I don't share your prediction. I think PS3 peaked this year.

Isn't it alarming that the Wii had its worst year though, despite the biggest console game this gen (NSMB Wii). Monster Hunter 3, Black Wii, Pricecut, Tales of Graces, Wii Sports Resort/ Wii Fit Plus? I think the downward trend of Wii will continue, although it wont be too much lower. Of course though, if DQX releases... Plenty of crow coming my way.

Then though, what does Wii have confirmed in 2010?... I can name a whole bunch of moderately big games on PS3 in Q1/Q2 alone. Would like to know the Wii lineup if someone can help?

You're kind of eschewing the facts there.

NSMBW came out to incredible sustained sales and has given the Wii both its best selling ever, and the best selling week ever of any home console. The Wii is also up YoY in the month of December. Considering the sheer magnitude of 2008's sales for the Wii, I think this is a highly significant indicator that the Wii is doing strong (especially considering that pundits predicted this would be the worst Christmas for the Wii).

I'll leave list wars for other people to take up.

I don't even know what eschewing means. But i think you mean skewing... In which case, im not. Im just showing facts you dont want to see, it seems.

It's not list wars, i just want to know the Wii lineup



                            

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fwap said:
Carl2291 said:
 

Exactly... And that massive decline could very well happen again this year with the seeming lack of big SW releasing.

You don't know what you're talking about here. 2010 has the best line-up yet for the Wii.

For Japan? Really?

So far i know about a 3D Mario sequal, and a Metroid game.



                            

Inigo13 said:
Carl2291 said:
jarrod said:
Carl2291 said:
fwap said:
Carl2291 said:
jarrod said:
Carl2291 said:
PS3 and Wii being so close just goes to show how easily things can change.

Great numbers for most!

I was going to say the same for PSP and Wii. :P

No where near a bigger difference than what has happened with PS3 and Wii. 2007 numbers following...

Wii - 3,677,579
PSP - 3,061,395
PS3 - 1,218,612

2008...

PSP - 3,639,073
Wii - 2,888,251
PS3 - 1,000,838

2009...

PSP - 2,282,912
Wii - 1,987,526
PS3 - 1,795,568

I think 2010 could see PS3 > Wii in Japan.

PS3 best year vs. Wii worst year = Wii > PS3 by a sizeable margin.

This is why I don't share your prediction. I think PS3 peaked this year.

Isn't it alarming that the Wii had its worst year though, despite the biggest console game this gen (NSMB Wii). Monster Hunter 3, Black Wii, Pricecut, Tales of Graces, Wii Sports Resort/ Wii Fit Plus? I think the downward trend of Wii will continue, although it wont be too much lower. Of course though, if DQX releases... Plenty of crow coming my way.

Then though, what does Wii have confirmed in 2010?... I can name a whole bunch of moderately big games on PS3 in Q1/Q2 alone. Would like to know the Wii lineup if someone can help?

Well, the reason for that is the massive decline in the first half.  2nd half (ie: when all those factors you just listed actually came into play) Wii had a a generally flat or better performance than 2007 or 2008. 

And despite dropping massively, Wii's been narrowing the difference between it and PSP.  Last year they were nearly 800k apart, this year that's down to 300k.  Pretty notable, if Wii continues it's 2nd half turnaround and PSP continues it's general decline (which was consistent YOY bar a brief relief from the pricedrop), we'll see Wii overtake it for 2nd place next year.

Exactly... And that massive decline could very well happen again this year with the seeming lack of big SW releasing.

Look at 2007 sales where Wii outsold PSP by over 600k, and you will see how it isn't really surprising. But anyway, as i said... The difference between Wii and PS3 is of greater significance. Wii outsold PS3 by over 1.8 Million consoles in 2008. Wii outsold PS3 by 200k consoles in 2009.

The Slim released, a $100 price reduction, Tales of Vesperia, and Final Fantasy opened. Those are the major reasons the PS3 came somewhat close to the Wii.

Don't forget what the Wii also had... Wii had a pricecut, the biggest console game in Japan this gen, Monster Hunter 3, Black Wii's, Tales of Graces, Wii Sports Resort and Wii Fit Plus.



                            

Carl2291 said:
Inigo13 said:
Carl2291 said:
jarrod said:
Carl2291 said:
fwap said:
Carl2291 said:
jarrod said:
Carl2291 said:
PS3 and Wii being so close just goes to show how easily things can change.

Great numbers for most!

I was going to say the same for PSP and Wii. :P

No where near a bigger difference than what has happened with PS3 and Wii. 2007 numbers following...

Wii - 3,677,579
PSP - 3,061,395
PS3 - 1,218,612

2008...

PSP - 3,639,073
Wii - 2,888,251
PS3 - 1,000,838

2009...

PSP - 2,282,912
Wii - 1,987,526
PS3 - 1,795,568

I think 2010 could see PS3 > Wii in Japan.

PS3 best year vs. Wii worst year = Wii > PS3 by a sizeable margin.

This is why I don't share your prediction. I think PS3 peaked this year.

Isn't it alarming that the Wii had its worst year though, despite the biggest console game this gen (NSMB Wii). Monster Hunter 3, Black Wii, Pricecut, Tales of Graces, Wii Sports Resort/ Wii Fit Plus? I think the downward trend of Wii will continue, although it wont be too much lower. Of course though, if DQX releases... Plenty of crow coming my way.

Then though, what does Wii have confirmed in 2010?... I can name a whole bunch of moderately big games on PS3 in Q1/Q2 alone. Would like to know the Wii lineup if someone can help?

Well, the reason for that is the massive decline in the first half.  2nd half (ie: when all those factors you just listed actually came into play) Wii had a a generally flat or better performance than 2007 or 2008. 

And despite dropping massively, Wii's been narrowing the difference between it and PSP.  Last year they were nearly 800k apart, this year that's down to 300k.  Pretty notable, if Wii continues it's 2nd half turnaround and PSP continues it's general decline (which was consistent YOY bar a brief relief from the pricedrop), we'll see Wii overtake it for 2nd place next year.

Exactly... And that massive decline could very well happen again this year with the seeming lack of big SW releasing.

Look at 2007 sales where Wii outsold PSP by over 600k, and you will see how it isn't really surprising. But anyway, as i said... The difference between Wii and PS3 is of greater significance. Wii outsold PS3 by over 1.8 Million consoles in 2008. Wii outsold PS3 by 200k consoles in 2009.

The Slim released, a $100 price reduction, Tales of Vesperia, and Final Fantasy opened. Those are the major reasons the PS3 came somewhat close to the Wii.

Don't forget what the Wii also had... Wii had a pricecut, the biggest console game in Japan this gen, Monster Hunter 3, Black Wii's, Tales of Graces, Wii Sports Resort and Wii Fit Plus.

I'm not sure how you think I could have forgotten, you just said the same thing in this thread, and it was the reason I replied with the PS3's major events.



Carl2291 said:
fwap said:
Carl2291 said:
fwap said:
Carl2291 said:
jarrod said:
Carl2291 said:
PS3 and Wii being so close just goes to show how easily things can change.

Great numbers for most!

I was going to say the same for PSP and Wii. :P

No where near a bigger difference than what has happened with PS3 and Wii. 2007 numbers following...

Wii - 3,677,579
PSP - 3,061,395
PS3 - 1,218,612

2008...

PSP - 3,639,073
Wii - 2,888,251
PS3 - 1,000,838

2009...

PSP - 2,282,912
Wii - 1,987,526
PS3 - 1,795,568

I think 2010 could see PS3 > Wii in Japan.

PS3 best year vs. Wii worst year = Wii > PS3 by a sizeable margin.

This is why I don't share your prediction. I think PS3 peaked this year.

Isn't it alarming that the Wii had its worst year though, despite the biggest console game this gen (NSMB Wii). Monster Hunter 3, Black Wii, Pricecut, Tales of Graces, Wii Sports Resort/ Wii Fit Plus? I think the downward trend of Wii will continue, although it wont be too much lower. Of course though, if DQX releases... Plenty of crow coming my way.

Then though, what does Wii have confirmed in 2010?... I can name a whole bunch of moderately big games on PS3 in Q1/Q2 alone. Would like to know the Wii lineup if someone can help?

You're kind of eschewing the facts there.

NSMBW came out to incredible sustained sales and has given the Wii both its best selling ever, and the best selling week ever of any home console. The Wii is also up YoY in the month of December. Considering the sheer magnitude of 2008's sales for the Wii, I think this is a highly significant indicator that the Wii is doing strong (especially considering that pundits predicted this would be the worst Christmas for the Wii).

I'll leave list wars for other people to take up.

I don't even know what eschewing means. But i think you mean skewing... In which case, im not. Im just showing facts you dont want to see, it seems.

It's not list wars, i just want to know the Wii lineup

es⋅chew

–verb (used with object) to abstain or keep away from; shun; avoid: to eschew evil.


Which is ironic, consider how you rudely claim that there are 'facts that I do not want to see.'

You didn't address my points, instead you tried to patronise me. You are creating arguments based on what you want to see happen.



jarrod said:
Carl2291 said:
jarrod said:
Carl2291 said:
fwap said:
Carl2291 said:
jarrod said:
Carl2291 said:
PS3 and Wii being so close just goes to show how easily things can change.

Great numbers for most!

I was going to say the same for PSP and Wii. :P

No where near a bigger difference than what has happened with PS3 and Wii. 2007 numbers following...

Wii - 3,677,579
PSP - 3,061,395
PS3 - 1,218,612

2008...

PSP - 3,639,073
Wii - 2,888,251
PS3 - 1,000,838

2009...

PSP - 2,282,912
Wii - 1,987,526
PS3 - 1,795,568

I think 2010 could see PS3 > Wii in Japan.

PS3 best year vs. Wii worst year = Wii > PS3 by a sizeable margin.

This is why I don't share your prediction. I think PS3 peaked this year.

Isn't it alarming that the Wii had its worst year though, despite the biggest console game this gen (NSMB Wii). Monster Hunter 3, Black Wii, Pricecut, Tales of Graces, Wii Sports Resort/ Wii Fit Plus? I think the downward trend of Wii will continue, although it wont be too much lower. Of course though, if DQX releases... Plenty of crow coming my way.

Then though, what does Wii have confirmed in 2010?... I can name a whole bunch of moderately big games on PS3 in Q1/Q2 alone. Would like to know the Wii lineup if someone can help?

Well, the reason for that is the massive decline in the first half.  2nd half (ie: when all those factors you just listed actually came into play) Wii had a a generally flat or better performance than 2007 or 2008. 

And despite dropping massively, Wii's been narrowing the difference between it and PSP.  Last year they were nearly 800k apart, this year that's down to 300k.  Pretty notable, if Wii continues it's 2nd half turnaround and PSP continues it's general decline (which was consistent YOY bar a brief relief from the pricedrop), we'll see Wii overtake it for 2nd place next year.

Exactly... And that massive decline could very well happen again this year with the seeming lack of big SW releasing.

Look at 2007 sales where Wii outsold PSP by over 600k, and you will see how it isn't really surprising. But anyway, as i said... The difference between Wii and PS3 is of greater significance. Wii outsold PS3 by over 1.8 Million consoles in 2008. Wii outsold PS3 by 200k consoles in 2009.

Last year's decline was on the back of Nintendo's disappointing 2nd half lineup for 2008, it was the failure of Wii Music and Animal Crossing to maintain momentum as planned.  This year's a pretty different situation, with Sports Resort, Fit Plus and (especially) NSMB all heavily driving hardware.  Wii's Q1 is pretty uneventful, though by comparison PS3 and PSP are blowing their loads in Q1 (MGS, KH, Yakuza, GT).  Even considering all that, the best selling Q1 game will still probably go to a Nintendo system (DQVI).

I don't really think WSR and WF+ are pushing the HW that much, i think the only siginificant boost is coming from NSMB. With the PS3's pretty big lineup in Q1/Q2, will NSMB be enough to get people choosing Wii over PS3? Sure, it has SMG2 in the early months... But as i said in the other thread, will it move significant hardware?

Someone, please... Wii lineup. It would make this conversation a lot easier