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tuscaniman on 04 January 2010
Mr Khan said:
tuscaniman said:

I've been a gamer since the Atari 2600 days and I think I have a pretty good grasp on what consoles are great and what franchises are great. Nintendo, SNES, and even parts of the Nintendo 64 were great consoles with awesome gaming franchises. New concepts and stories were brought to the table. PS1, PS2 did the same thing. Now that I'm in my 6th generation of gaming I greatly enjoy the 360. I actually believe the 360 quite possibly has the best game library or equal game library out of any console I've played or owned, all the way back to the Atari days. I haven't played the PS3 and I am intrigued by it and might buy one in the future. Sony and Microsoft have been playing a game of one up on each other the past couple generations and it has resulted in great new franchises and games that have pushed the evolution of gaming. I've played the Wii (my gf had one until she sold it for lack of replay value) and it has not grown up. If  you believe otherwise thats fine with me but myself and almost every other non Nintendo fanboy realizes the Wii is a casual gamer's machine. Adding motion control does not make this the next evolution of gaming. The games themselves do and Nintendo has not put out games of equal quality as the HD machines.

You have a grasp on what franchises you think are great. The games that you think are evolutionary i might find shallow, or vice versa. Why should consoles "grow up" specifically to match your growth as an individual? This is the peculiar mentality that pervades the industry, and has led to its current state, where they've left behind a large, large number of former players.

I think you're missing the point. 120 million + gamers from PS2 days and the 20 million + gamers from the Xbox were not left behind. They will eventually get into this generation of consoles and their console of choice will be the 360 or the PS3. The Wii has managed to find a niiche in the gaming market and have catered to the casual and sold to audiences who have never been targeted before. Not a gaming audience from the past. This is why you are seeing games like Wii fit being advertised nonstop. If you honestly think Nintendo is trying to cater to the gamer and push AAA quality games out to win then you are fooling yourself. Nintendo is out to make money like the rest of us and they found their gold mine by catering to the casual. The HD twins are catering to the gamer and last gen's gamer is split between either one or hasn't jumped in. Combine the HD twins sales and you have a console which has sold more than the Wii.

Now I agree that there are some old school gamers who prefer the classic franchises and game styles and their simple mechanics and have went the direction of the Wii, but they are few and far between and the casual market is the Wii's target.



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psrock on 04 January 2010
PorkChopTD said:
Xen said:
Did it ever occur to you that HD games may be better then their Wii competitors and that is why Wii games don't take GOTY? (Besides, last year, the Wii got nothing worthy of the title).

A simple as it is to respond to your post.  Let me start with this.  Will you ever play MW2, Uncharted 2 (blah blee freaking blah) again after MW3, Uncharted 3 come out?  The answer to that is NOPE!

This^^^ is why games like Punch Out, Super Mario Brothers, Metroid, Zelda ect are better games.  The replay value is unlimited and will never go away.  I still like to play NES game from 1985.  Will you ever freaking play the original Gran Tourismo again? NOPE! once again.  HD Games are in no shape or form better than games like Little King Story or NSMB Wii. 

Wow the game looks great!  Oh, but it is the same as every other freaking game with a different story line.  This is where XBOX360 and PS3 are making mistakes.  They need more games like Little Big Planet to compete.  Guess what they don't want to, they want to focus on graphics.  I don't care how good it looks, if I can't figure out the 70 buttons to push

 

 

How did I miss this classic post.

I am sure that's why Wii games such as Halo 3 and COD4 are still being played today, they lacked HD.

Graphics is evil I tell you, and LBP has no graphics thus why it was rejected by HD fans with just 3 million sales.

It's all about unlimited value and resisting to move ahead with actual new games.

Vive la Revolution!!!!!!



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JUG on 04 January 2010

The chief editor of Gametrailers said on the Bonus Round the Little King's Story was one of his favourite games of the year, and yet they didn't even give it a nomination in the best Wii game category? It deserved to be there and everyone wanted to see more Wii exclusives in there, so what happened?

It doesn't make much sense.



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BladeOfGod on 04 January 2010
PorkChopTD said:

They never have any new wii game footage.  They don't pick Wii exclusive games for wii game of the year.  NSMBWii isn't even mentioned on the game of the year award...  I just don't get it?  Why must everyone rate a game on graphics? 

Fisrt: I rate my games on how fun they are!

Second: Controls and gameplay

Third: Story

Fourth: Music

Fifth: Graphics

Everything gametrailers does is on visuals.  Well I think they are terrible when it comes to rating games, and they need to treat the wii with more respect!!!

maybe they think NSMBWii is not a GOTY material?



BladeOfGod on 04 January 2010
psrock said:
PorkChopTD said:
Xen said:
Did it ever occur to you that HD games may be better then their Wii competitors and that is why Wii games don't take GOTY? (Besides, last year, the Wii got nothing worthy of the title).

A simple as it is to respond to your post.  Let me start with this.  Will you ever play MW2, Uncharted 2 (blah blee freaking blah) again after MW3, Uncharted 3 come out?  The answer to that is NOPE!

This^^^ is why games like Punch Out, Super Mario Brothers, Metroid, Zelda ect are better games.  The replay value is unlimited and will never go away.  I still like to play NES game from 1985.  Will you ever freaking play the original Gran Tourismo again? NOPE! once again.  HD Games are in no shape or form better than games like Little King Story or NSMB Wii. 

Wow the game looks great!  Oh, but it is the same as every other freaking game with a different story line.  This is where XBOX360 and PS3 are making mistakes.  They need more games like Little Big Planet to compete.  Guess what they don't want to, they want to focus on graphics.  I don't care how good it looks, if I can't figure out the 70 buttons to push

 

 

How did I miss this classic post.

I am sure that's why Wii games such as Halo 3 and COD4 are still being played today, they lacked HD.

Graphics is evil I tell you, and LBP has no graphics thus why it was rejected by HD fans with just 3 million sales.

It's all about unlimited value and resisting to move ahead with actual new games.

Vive la Revolution!!!!!!

Ahh, how i missed the internet arrogance



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psrock on 04 January 2010
BladeOfGod said:
psrock said:
PorkChopTD said:
Xen said:
Did it ever occur to you that HD games may be better then their Wii competitors and that is why Wii games don't take GOTY? (Besides, last year, the Wii got nothing worthy of the title).

A simple as it is to respond to your post.  Let me start with this.  Will you ever play MW2, Uncharted 2 (blah blee freaking blah) again after MW3, Uncharted 3 come out?  The answer to that is NOPE!

This^^^ is why games like Punch Out, Super Mario Brothers, Metroid, Zelda ect are better games.  The replay value is unlimited and will never go away.  I still like to play NES game from 1985.  Will you ever freaking play the original Gran Tourismo again? NOPE! once again.  HD Games are in no shape or form better than games like Little King Story or NSMB Wii. 

Wow the game looks great!  Oh, but it is the same as every other freaking game with a different story line.  This is where XBOX360 and PS3 are making mistakes.  They need more games like Little Big Planet to compete.  Guess what they don't want to, they want to focus on graphics.  I don't care how good it looks, if I can't figure out the 70 buttons to push

 

 

How did I miss this classic post.

I am sure that's why Wii games such as Halo 3 and COD4 are still being played today, they lacked HD.

Graphics is evil I tell you, and LBP has no graphics thus why it was rejected by HD fans with just 3 million sales.

It's all about unlimited value and resisting to move ahead with actual new games.

Vive la Revolution!!!!!!

Ahh, how i missed the internet arrogance

Justin brought Sexy back, I am bringing arrogance back with sexy on top.



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cAPSLOCK on 04 January 2010
tuscaniman said:

I think you're missing the point. 120 million + gamers from PS2 days and the 20 million + gamers from the Xbox were not left behind. They will eventually get into this generation of consoles and their console of choice will be the 360 or the PS3. The Wii has managed to find a niiche in the gaming market and have catered to the casual and sold to audiences who have never been targeted before. Not a gaming audience from the past. This is why you are seeing games like Wii fit being advertised nonstop. If you honestly think Nintendo is trying to cater to the gamer and push AAA quality games out to win then you are fooling yourself. Nintendo is out to make money like the rest of us and they found their gold mine by catering to the casual. The HD twins are catering to the gamer and last gen's gamer is split between either one or hasn't jumped in. Combine the HD twins sales and you have a console which has sold more than the Wii.

Now I agree that there are some old school gamers who prefer the classic franchises and game styles and their simple mechanics and have went the direction of the Wii, but they are few and far between and the casual market is the Wii's target.

What makes you think their console of choice will be the 360 or PS3? What if they already bought a Wii, or don't want to buy any system at all? This magical army of 140 million people coming to the rescue of Microsoft and Sony, if they cared that much, wouldn't they have bought the system already? This whole line of argument just doesn't make any sense, there's no merit to it because you're going to have an incredibly hard time demonstrating in any real way that 140,000,000 people, or even 10% of that number have any desire to buy any console, let alone one of the HD twins.

Also, since when is the fastest selling console in history a niche? Isn't that, like, the textbook definition of mainstream? The majority? I mean hell WiiFit has sold more than the top 4 PS3 games combined, if anything the HD twins and all their games have been relegated to the niche.

Combining consoles makes for some tricky logic juggling, because you have no clue how many people own both systems, or own a Wii+1 or 2 other systems. What if 90% of the people who own a PS3 also own a 360, doesn't that cut your mighty army in half?

Good god man, you're on a site with sales figures, how can you look at all those sales figures and not realize that PS360 gaming is the niche?



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Mr Khan on 04 January 2010
tuscaniman said:
Mr Khan said:
tuscaniman said:
 

I've been a gamer since the Atari 2600 days and I think I have a pretty good grasp on what consoles are great and what franchises are great. Nintendo, SNES, and even parts of the Nintendo 64 were great consoles with awesome gaming franchises. New concepts and stories were brought to the table. PS1, PS2 did the same thing. Now that I'm in my 6th generation of gaming I greatly enjoy the 360. I actually believe the 360 quite possibly has the best game library or equal game library out of any console I've played or owned, all the way back to the Atari days. I haven't played the PS3 and I am intrigued by it and might buy one in the future. Sony and Microsoft have been playing a game of one up on each other the past couple generations and it has resulted in great new franchises and games that have pushed the evolution of gaming. I've played the Wii (my gf had one until she sold it for lack of replay value) and it has not grown up. If  you believe otherwise thats fine with me but myself and almost every other non Nintendo fanboy realizes the Wii is a casual gamer's machine. Adding motion control does not make this the next evolution of gaming. The games themselves do and Nintendo has not put out games of equal quality as the HD machines.

You have a grasp on what franchises you think are great. The games that you think are evolutionary i might find shallow, or vice versa. Why should consoles "grow up" specifically to match your growth as an individual? This is the peculiar mentality that pervades the industry, and has led to its current state, where they've left behind a large, large number of former players.

I think you're missing the point. 120 million + gamers from PS2 days and the 20 million + gamers from the Xbox were not left behind. They will eventually get into this generation of consoles and their console of choice will be the 360 or the PS3. The Wii has managed to find a niiche in the gaming market and have catered to the casual and sold to audiences who have never been targeted before. Not a gaming audience from the past. This is why you are seeing games like Wii fit being advertised nonstop. If you honestly think Nintendo is trying to cater to the gamer and push AAA quality games out to win then you are fooling yourself. Nintendo is out to make money like the rest of us and they found their gold mine by catering to the casual. The HD twins are catering to the gamer and last gen's gamer is split between either one or hasn't jumped in. Combine the HD twins sales and you have a console which has sold more than the Wii.

Now I agree that there are some old school gamers who prefer the classic franchises and game styles and their simple mechanics and have went the direction of the Wii, but they are few and far between and the casual market is the Wii's target.

1: All 120 million PS2 players are not going to go for either PS3 or 360. Many have gone to Wii, a great many, i would bet. PS2 succeeded because it had the variety to cater to more than just the "gamer," and it's illusory to think that the bulk of the gaming audience, even the bulk of the audience on PS3 and 360, really cares about a lot of the same things that you do.

2: Your argument has been made before, by others, that Wii has found a "niche," when really its rather the opposite. Wii has found the mainstream

3: It's a phenomenon called Gamer Drift, and it is real. The gaming industry got caught up in the graphical arms race, and many of the gamers who played long ago were left behind. This is not the sign of a healthy, growing industry, just one that's trying to stay afloat.



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Smashchu2 on 04 January 2010
Xen said:
Did it ever occur to you that HD games may be better then their Wii competitors and that is why Wii games don't take GOTY? (Besides, last year, the Wii got nothing worthy of the title IMO).

No, because the Wii has New Super Mario Bros Wii, the return of 2D Mario with multiplayer. It should have been GOTY everywhere.



Mummelmann on 04 January 2010

This thread scares me.