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LordTheNightKnight said:
"Are you saying that games like zelda, smg, metroid, nsmb wii and so on did not get any respect or recognition?"

This thread is about the Wii, not Nintendo franchises. How could you not even get the point of what I'm discussing?

So you really are thinking that a console should get respect and recognition for just selling. I always thought that a console is only a platform which plays games.. and those games should get the respect.



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LordTheNightKnight said:
MRFENIX said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
MRFENIX said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
MRFENIX said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"You sure do sound bitter for a gamer who did not make a wrong console choice."

It's the lack of respect and recognition to the winning console that makes us bitter.

What is that respect&recognition you are looking for?

You seriously don't know what we mean? Do you even know how the last generation leaders were treated?

I want you to tell me what is that "respect and recognition" you are talking about.

Do you mean you don't know what I mean at all or are you asking me to be specific?

Let's say that I have no idea of what you are talking about. I just want you to define what did you mean by respect and recognition.

Well I'm not going by any personal defintion of the words if that is what you mean. I'm going by the dictionary defintions. All this putting down of the Wii by the gaming press is clearly not respect or recognition, nor is the lack of support from third parties (not that they should drop support for the HD systems, but give support to the Wii as well).

I don't recall seeing any major publications "putting down" the wii, to an acceptable frequency that that term should be used, since its 1st year. It's generally accepted as the undisputed market leader this gen by gaming press. Except your idea of "putting down" is different from mine or you think "ignoring" something is the same as "putting [it] down".  3rd parties have their own business to run and we're are in no place to tell them where to throw their support. Not releasing a wii game =/= not recognizing it/respecting it's accomplishments. If I recall correctly, even naughty dog praised the wii recently as posted in a thread on this site. Doesn't that qualify as respect/recognition even though they most certainly would never release a wii game?



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Wow 16 page thread, some people really are bitter about the lack of quality on Wii this gen (excepting 1st party). I would ask people to try and think of this completely neutrally from the perspective of a 3rd party publisher.

A 3rd-party core game is released (some effort required by dev- approx. $10million budget) and sells reasonably well with little to no advertising on Wii and the publisher/dev thinks "not bad, could be better, some decent returns on investment". Same 3rd-party publisher releases casual/cheap game with no effort (say $4-5million budget tops) with no advertising and that game sells a similar amount perhaps a bit more, perhaps a bit less. Publisher makes a good profit and thinks "Hey, we can bring out games for little investment and it sells! We're making some decent money, more than the games we release for the core market!".

On the HD consoles this is harder to do as they don't have that same large and diverse market the Wii does so they have to put in more effort on visuals, tech etc. to get sales. Also, you have the fact that HD games can come out on 3 platforms with minimal porting effort required. A Wii port would require a large effort and investment for minimal returns.

Take Assassin's Creed. Why would Ubisoft release it on Wii. On the HD consoles (and PC for that matter) combined you can port it/ share art assets etc. so the total cost is say $25million for about 5million combined sales. Port it to Wii you may get an extra 1-2million, but the porting/dev costs would mean about an extra $7-8million. Ubisoft probably saw it as not worth it.

3rd party games can sell on Wii, it's just that publishers can already make money with minimal investment. It's sad, but considering the core games on Wii, I fear it's true.



MRFENIX said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Are you saying that games like zelda, smg, metroid, nsmb wii and so on did not get any respect or recognition?"

This thread is about the Wii, not Nintendo franchises. How could you not even get the point of what I'm discussing?

So you really are thinking that a console should get respect and recognition for just selling. I always thought that a console is only a platform which plays games.. and those games should get the respect.

It's not "that" the system is selling well that commands those, but "why".

"I don't recall seeing any major publications "putting down" the wii, to an acceptable frequency that that term should be used"

It's not just directly putting it down. It's also putting less emphasis on things that should be of note about the Wii.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

LordTheNightKnight said:
MRFENIX said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Are you saying that games like zelda, smg, metroid, nsmb wii and so on did not get any respect or recognition?"

This thread is about the Wii, not Nintendo franchises. How could you not even get the point of what I'm discussing?

So you really are thinking that a console should get respect and recognition for just selling. I always thought that a console is only a platform which plays games.. and those games should get the respect.

It's not "that" the system is selling well that commands those, but "why".

"I don't recall seeing any major publications "putting down" the wii, to an acceptable frequency that that term should be used"

It's not just directly putting it down. It's also putting less emphasis on things that should be of note about the Wii.

And the why is... games? What are those things which should be noted about wii?



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LordTheNightKnight said:
MRFENIX said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Are you saying that games like zelda, smg, metroid, nsmb wii and so on did not get any respect or recognition?"

This thread is about the Wii, not Nintendo franchises. How could you not even get the point of what I'm discussing?

So you really are thinking that a console should get respect and recognition for just selling. I always thought that a console is only a platform which plays games.. and those games should get the respect.

It's not "that" the system is selling well that commands those, but "why".

"I don't recall seeing any major publications "putting down" the wii, to an acceptable frequency that that term should be used"

It's not just directly putting it down. It's also putting less emphasis on things that should be of note about the Wii.

I would argue that the perception of publishers is that they're not putting core games on the Wii for precisely the reason "why" it's sold so well. Nintendo franchises, party games and fitness titles.



MRFENIX said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
MRFENIX said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Are you saying that games like zelda, smg, metroid, nsmb wii and so on did not get any respect or recognition?"

This thread is about the Wii, not Nintendo franchises. How could you not even get the point of what I'm discussing?

So you really are thinking that a console should get respect and recognition for just selling. I always thought that a console is only a platform which plays games.. and those games should get the respect.

It's not "that" the system is selling well that commands those, but "why".

"I don't recall seeing any major publications "putting down" the wii, to an acceptable frequency that that term should be used"

It's not just directly putting it down. It's also putting less emphasis on things that should be of note about the Wii.

And the why is... games? What are those things which should be noted about wii?

looking forward to knight's reply on this because I dont get his point at all. It just sounds like he has too much senteimental attachment to the wii aka fanboyism but I won't jump into conclusions.



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

You'd better retract that fanboy statement. It's now a bannable offence. I'm not joking. Look in the rules.

And if MRFENIX doesn't get the actual reason the Wii deserves respect and recognition (which is not the same as all praise and not criticism), he's part of the problem.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

LordTheNightKnight said:
You'd better retract that fanboy statement. It's now a bannable offence. I'm not joking. Look in the rules.

And if MRFENIX doesn't get the actual reason the Wii deserves respect and recognition (which is not the same as all praise and not criticism), he's part of the problem.

Yeah, I think that the games are the reason. But you seem to disagree. I would appreciate if you could enlighten me so that I would no longer be a part of the problem.

I however don't understand why I am a problem for wii... but I guess you will not explain that either.



"Yeah, I think that the games are the reason."

But you don't seem to get what we are getting at in this thread.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs