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alfredofroylan on 03 January 2010
ClaudeLv250 said:
People are actually arguing against that pwnage? It's not like he made it up or applied asinine qualifiers like what happens in most of these arguments, it's just a cold hard truth that Sega's M rated Wii efforts outperform their HD ones on average.

Any thread with the topics: "Wii", "sales", "some guy said" and "mature" is going to roll like that. It's a cycle that repites every week or so.



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forest-spirit on 03 January 2010

I don't get why they mention DSE, like it's the definite Mature Wii game -_-

While I don't care what rating Sega's Wii games have, I think it's to early to abandon M games. They have done a decent job and none of their games have been a disaster sales wise.

Anyway, I hope to see Skies of Arcadia 2 or a new Panzer Dragoon soon.



Cheebee on 03 January 2010

Lol, that guy's a director? XD

He talks like some Paris Hilton-clone.

'So, like, whoa!'



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MaxwellGT2000 on 03 January 2010
forest-spirit said:
I don't get why they mention DSE, like it's the definite Mature Wii game -_-

While I don't care what rating Sega's Wii games have, I think it's to early to abandon M games. They have done a decent job and none of their games have been a disaster sales wise.

Anyway, I hope to see Skies of Arcadia 2 or a new Panzer Dragoon soon.

Again this is the director of of Golden Axe and Iron Man, not someone that has say in what SEGA publishes or decides to develop. 

As for mentioning DSE, its just a big story, I mean sales were worse than I think anyone expected, and Visceral Games/EA was very vocal about it not selling well and how much effort they put into the game.  Funny how Modern Warfare Reflex is on track to sell pretty well, but because no one is talking about it, its not counted in the M rated sales debate... it's like it doesn't even exist.



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DaBuddahN on 03 January 2010
MaxwellGT2000 said:
DaBuddahN said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
jarrod said:
DaBuddahN said:
PhantomLink said:
Mr Khan said:
Xoj said:
^ thats a lot of cherry picking.

What do you mean? It's a straight across comparison. M-rated SEGA PS3 and/or 360 games vs. M-rated SEGA Wii games.

I think he miss the M-rated part.

This thread is probably dead but I can't believe that people do not understand that not all the games are mainstream.

 

No. It's just that some of the bigger games in his list have't released in NA or Others, while the biggest Wii Mature seller, has released in JP, NA and Others. So it's obvious it will have more sales. For example, Bayonetta and Yakuza have not released in NA or Others, I expect a good 300k copies sold for each. 

Since there are only two high selling Wii games in Jarrods list, it's obvious the "average" or "mean" will be high! It's basic math.

The list will be much more interesting when all games are released on all territories.  

Yakuza 3 won't come even close to 300k in western territories.  Bayonetta will do better than 300k imo, but still move less than a million worldwide.

In fairness though, here's the number of markets released so far for each of the games...

3 territories

  • Condemned: Criminal Origins (360)
  • The House of the Dead 2 & 3 Return (Wii)
  • The House of the Dead Overkill (Wii)

2 territories

  • Condemned 2: Bloodshot (PS360)
  • Golden Axe: Beast Rider (PS360)
  • MadWorld (Wii)
  • Stormrise (PS360)
  • The Club (PS360)
  • Viking: Battle for Asgard (PS360)

1 territory

  • Bayonetta (PS360)
  • Yakuza 3 (PS3)

 

...going off this idea, if we look at only sales for NA/EU (which I guess makes more sense given this producer is making games for pretty much just those markets)...

 

The House of the Dead 2 &3 Return (Wii) 1,100,000
The House of the Dead Overkill (Wii) 470,000
Condemned 2: Bloodshot (360) 470,000
Condemned: Criminal Origins (360) 460,000
Viking: Battle for Asgard (360) 410,000
MadWorld (Wii) 370,000
Condemned 2: Bloodshot (PS3) 310,000
Viking: Battle for Asgard (PS3) 280,000
The Club (360) 240,000
The Club (PS3) 150,000
Golden Axe: Beast Rider (360) 120,000
Golden Axe: Beast Rider (PS3) 80,000
Stormrise (360) 50,000
Stormrise (PS3) 50,000


Average sales per console...

Wii: 647,000
360: 292,000
PS3: 174,000

 

...wow.  That extra market sure was the tipping point, huh? ;)

The final nail in the coffin so it seems, thanks for those figures.

And I agree developers get what they put into the game, you don't really see Wii games grace the front cover (which is paid for not given) of game magazines, nor do you see more than a few commercials late at night on channels like Adult Swim and Comedy Central, thats just not real marketing, SEGA came close with doing some nice commercials on WWE events, and Activision did well finally marketing World at War Wii about a month after the game released and it slow burned to over a million from there.

No, this is no final nail is any coffin. Like it was pointed out before, since the number of games jarrod is listing is small (2) for the Wii, the average is going to be very high! It's basic mathematics. The fact that they PS3 and 360 can average 450k copies between 8 different titles, all which haven't been released in all territories is great! 

To people who still have difficulty understanding what I'm saying... what average is bigger? 10/2 or 20/5?

Jarrod's averages are skewed. =/ It's like if he put all the other mature titles that have bombed on the Wii, the avergae would go down. Although, you might have RE4 to counter that.

Actually you said 2... yeah you didn't even read it did you? And the point of the argument there is that M rated games don't sell on Wii and if the Wii games that are there DO sell, while the PS3/360 games DONT... its just proving that M rated games has the potential to not sell on PS3/360 just as much as the Wii, and the fact of the matter is SEGA talked about moving to another console because those M rated games that didn't break even on PS3/360 was hurting them as a business.  So really I don't see your leg to stand on here.

Yes, I read, but I am not exactly arguing that. It is clear a lot of the early M rated titles bombed on the HD systems, I am not even arguing against that, so I don't know why you interpreted that. But my point still stands, you haven't proved anything I said wrong. Some M titles have sold well on the Wii, no doubt, but taking the ones that have sold the best and then "averaging" them out is wrong, it's basic math. If you do that, you have to take the worse and the best of both. If that were the case, I would've taken Condemned 1 and 2 for the 360, and say the average for sale for M rated titles is 565k! See? I can pull off big numbers too.  



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forest-spirit on 03 January 2010
MaxwellGT2000 said:
forest-spirit said:
I don't get why they mention DSE, like it's the definite Mature Wii game -_-

While I don't care what rating Sega's Wii games have, I think it's to early to abandon M games. They have done a decent job and none of their games have been a disaster sales wise.

Anyway, I hope to see Skies of Arcadia 2 or a new Panzer Dragoon soon.

Again this is the director of of Golden Axe and Iron Man, not someone that has say in what SEGA publishes or decides to develop. 

As for mentioning DSE, its just a big story, I mean sales were worse than I think anyone expected, and Visceral Games/EA was very vocal about it not selling well and how much effort they put into the game.  Funny how Modern Warfare Reflex is on track to sell pretty well, but because no one is talking about it, its not counted in the M rated sales debate... it's like it doesn't even exist.

Yeah, I noted that. And even if Sega stopped making mature games, that doesn't stop them from publishing them, right?



MaxwellGT2000 on 03 January 2010
DaBuddahN said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
DaBuddahN said:

No, this is no final nail is any coffin. Like it was pointed out before, since the number of games jarrod is listing is small (2) for the Wii, the average is going to be very high! It's basic mathematics. The fact that they PS3 and 360 can average 450k copies between 8 different titles, all which haven't been released in all territories is great! 

To people who still have difficulty understanding what I'm saying... what average is bigger? 10/2 or 20/5?

Jarrod's averages are skewed. =/ It's like if he put all the other mature titles that have bombed on the Wii, the avergae would go down. Although, you might have RE4 to counter that.

Actually you said 2... yeah you didn't even read it did you? And the point of the argument there is that M rated games don't sell on Wii and if the Wii games that are there DO sell, while the PS3/360 games DONT... its just proving that M rated games has the potential to not sell on PS3/360 just as much as the Wii, and the fact of the matter is SEGA talked about moving to another console because those M rated games that didn't break even on PS3/360 was hurting them as a business.  So really I don't see your leg to stand on here.

 Some M titles have sold well on the Wii, no doubt, but taking the ones that have sold the best and then "averaging" them out is wrong,

Those ARE the M rated titles, not just the ones that sold well >_> *sigh*



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DaBuddahN on 03 January 2010
MaxwellGT2000 said:
DaBuddahN said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
DaBuddahN said:
 

No, this is no final nail is any coffin. Like it was pointed out before, since the number of games jarrod is listing is small (2) for the Wii, the average is going to be very high! It's basic mathematics. The fact that they PS3 and 360 can average 450k copies between 8 different titles, all which haven't been released in all territories is great! 

To people who still have difficulty understanding what I'm saying... what average is bigger? 10/2 or 20/5?

Jarrod's averages are skewed. =/ It's like if he put all the other mature titles that have bombed on the Wii, the avergae would go down. Although, you might have RE4 to counter that.

Actually you said 2... yeah you didn't even read it did you? And the point of the argument there is that M rated games don't sell on Wii and if the Wii games that are there DO sell, while the PS3/360 games DONT... its just proving that M rated games has the potential to not sell on PS3/360 just as much as the Wii, and the fact of the matter is SEGA talked about moving to another console because those M rated games that didn't break even on PS3/360 was hurting them as a business.  So really I don't see your leg to stand on here.

 Some M titles have sold well on the Wii, no doubt, but taking the ones that have sold the best and then "averaging" them out is wrong,

Those ARE the M rated titles, not just the ones that sold well >_> *sigh*

OH! >_> I thought he was taking only House of the Dead games into consideration.



MaxwellGT2000 on 03 January 2010
forest-spirit said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
forest-spirit said:
I don't get why they mention DSE, like it's the definite Mature Wii game -_-

While I don't care what rating Sega's Wii games have, I think it's to early to abandon M games. They have done a decent job and none of their games have been a disaster sales wise.

Anyway, I hope to see Skies of Arcadia 2 or a new Panzer Dragoon soon.

Again this is the director of of Golden Axe and Iron Man, not someone that has say in what SEGA publishes or decides to develop. 

As for mentioning DSE, its just a big story, I mean sales were worse than I think anyone expected, and Visceral Games/EA was very vocal about it not selling well and how much effort they put into the game.  Funny how Modern Warfare Reflex is on track to sell pretty well, but because no one is talking about it, its not counted in the M rated sales debate... it's like it doesn't even exist.

Yeah, I noted that. And even if Sega stopped making mature games, that doesn't stop them from publishing them, right?

Yeah, I mean this director could refuse to do a M rated Wii game for whatever reason though I suspect he couldn't get away with that.  And even if they decide not to develop M rated games from the ground up, they could still publish games.  I mean I'm pretty sure HVS has some deal worked out with Sega to publish Conduit 2 and they'll probably be the first they go to with The Grinder I suspect, which I'm thinking will get an M rating.



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Xoj on 03 January 2010
PhantomLink said:
Mr Khan said:
Xoj said:
^ thats a lot of cherry picking.

What do you mean? It's a straight across comparison. M-rated SEGA PS3 and/or 360 games vs. M-rated SEGA Wii games.

I think he miss the M-rated part.

This thread is probably dead but I can't believe that people do not understand that not all the games are mainstream.

 

oh come on, bayonetta haven't even been released WW and you are comparing it, with only japanese sales versus games with worldwide sales.

that game alone breaks your comparison.