We can't retroactively add Castlevania, and if the new Castlevania sucks(doubtful) then we'll be able to add a bad game to his list as well, so be careful before touting a game under his belt that you're unsure of....Not all of Miyamoto's games are roses either, but some have changed the basics of gaming in a very real way, like Donkey Kong.

I agree that Kojima's great, but how did he revitalize the stealth genre? What stealth based games copied MGS exactly, and how have games like Splinter Cell(or any stealth game) been influenced by MGS?

I'm genuinely curious.

Kojima didn't just revitalize the stealth genre, he created it.  To my knowledge, there had yet to be a game that focused mainly on sneaking around a base.  Where you had to be stealthy, not get sighted, or face a group of enemies called upon by what was just one enemy onscreen.  Pretty much, if there was no Metal Gear, there would be no Splinter Cell. 

But that is not to take away from Miyamoto and his contributions to gaming.  They are both really great developers.  But neither invented gaming as we know it today.  They both took elements of previous games, improved upon them or added their own twist, and churned out some kick-ass games.  And don't forget that improving hardware also helped add to what was possible in a game, maybe things previous developers wanted to add but couldn't. 

But come on, don't you think it is pretty pathetic for the OP to write that he feels that Kojima is the greatest developer, with it not being the main focus of the article, only to have Wii fans jump in and take offense to it?  Nowhere did he bash Nintendo or Miyamoto, but still the Wii fans can't stand someone thinking one of their developers isn't "TEH G8TEST DEV EVAR."

I hope he learns his lesson when MGS Peace Walker only sells 250k copies and 3 million copies were pirated. Go back to PS3 Kojima.

Oh SSj12, when you post, hilarity and absurdity are not too far behind. At anyrate I was going to write up a rather scathing response to your, Miyamoto is a one trick pony, smarm and then dig into your pasty white triumvirate of chosen geeks that apparently "pawns" him. Fact is history, the critics and gaming audiences around the world have already spoken on Miyamoto's behalf and it's much more resonant than your partisan rumblings my friend. Besides, Zenfolder did an admirable job putting you in your place already.

A few things, I think that if any one person could be pointed to as most influential developer, it was Miyamoto. Does anyone disagree with that? No one invented gaming as we know it, obviously, it was the work of many different developers. However, I'd say that Miyamoto probably would have as much right to that title as any developer, if you were forcing me to choose. He created Donkey Kong, Super Mario Brothers, and The Legend of Zelda when gaming was trying to find a new identity. He created Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time when gaming was trying to find it's 3 dimensional identity. He did it right. I don't understand how you can call a developer who is most well known for his excellence in narrative on relatively few games, "probably the most legendary developer in the business."

Also, I'm not a Wii fan, I don't really give a shit about Nintendo, don't own a Wii, and I hope you weren't implying that I was basing my argument upon some sort of ignorant childish console bias, I'm not. I think that I should take that "Wii" owner off my avatar, I haven't owned a Wii in a year. I own a PC, PS3, and a 360.

...and no I don't think it's pathetic concentrating on a mistake in the OP's first line. Kojima is "probably the most legendary developer in the business".

Nope, bullshit, I'll call that one every time, and I don't think it's intrusive to make my reasons why I disagree, crystal clear.

Anyway, MGS probably did invent the 3d stealth-action genre, I agree. Just like DMC invented the sub-genre of action games called "Extreme-Action/Hack and Slash(wikipedia)" which I tout all the time, but its developer(who is releasing a new game, btw) gets way less recognition than Kojima.

Without DMC, you wouldn't have God of War or Ninja Gaiden(by your logic that Splinter Cell wouldn't exist). I don't understand why Kojima gets praised as "as influential as Miyamoto" for inventing the stealth-action series, but guys like Kamiya(Resident Evil 2, DMC, Bayonetta, Viewtiful Joe, Okami) who never make bad games, aren't even mentioned or considered by most of you.

Frankly, if you're going to use the word "legendary" you better do a hell of a lot more than invent a sub-genre, in my book. Miyamoto has influenced nearly every game released since the NES era with his early work, and then changed the game again with his work on the N64, and basically helped reinvent and reinvigorate the casual market this very generation.

Ask yourself this, is Kojima as influential as Miyamoto in other games?

Is Kojima as influential as Kamiya?

I can name at least 10 developers who were more influential than Kojima, and it would be hard to argue with any of them.

If the op said "probably the best developer in the industry" I would have no qualms or arguments. He would be stating an opinion. However, the OP seemed to imply that it was commonly accepted and/or relatively obvious who the most "legendary" developer in the industry was.....how is Kojima "probably" more legendary than Miyamoto? That's what I disagree with, about the OP.

Also, it is directly on topic, considering the OP was an article stating opinions, one of which is controversial and must be addressed.

Seriously, why does someone always have to write "in my opinion" for people to get it's their opinion?  It's pretty obvious that when people speak in forums, its their opinion.  But, that still doesn't excuse Wii/Nintendo fans from finding offense with it, when it wasn't even the point of the thread.  That's why I find it a little pathetic that they feel the need to have to come in a PS3 thread and praise Miyamoto, just because someone disagrees with that, or didn't state that they did agree.  Especially when the guy wasn't bashing him or Nintendo in the first place.

And you do realize that MGS wasn't the first Metal Gear, right?  There were 2 released on the MSX2 in 1987 and 1990, in Japan and Europe.  A port of the first came to the Famicon and NES in 1988.  So it's not just 3-D stealth games, but stealth games period.  Besides, the fact that he created the genre, as well as created good games within it, is why he is a great developer. 

I don't understand why you can't credit Miyamoto without belittling Kojima.  The OP stated that Kojima was the greatest developer, but in no way bashed anyone else.  As far as Kamiya goes, he does get respect.  Maybe not as much praise as these two, but I still don't hear people just bashing him.  So again, do you have to bash Kojima to praise Kamiya?

And how can you say Miyamoto influenced just about every game?  What about the games that came before him?  He didn't invent any genre, only added his own twist to them.  Don't get me wrong, I love those twists, as they made some really good games, but you can't just assume if he didn't come along there would be no gaming today.  Heck, my statement earlier about Splinter Cell was a little too concrete.  Even without Kojima, the stealth genre may have been created, but we'd be talking about that guy instead.

In the end, they are both geniuses and they both deserve praise.  As well as the other developers that have helped them with their visions, but for one reason or another haven't got as much notice.  There's just no point in trashing a developer just to praise the one you like best.

I think people praise Kojima over Kamiya because we enjoy his games more. Yeah Viewtiful Joe and DMC and RE were great franchises, but I think its safe to say none of them can hold a candle to any of Kojima's MGS games.

Hey Zen, that list is a select group of games on Wiki. There's a muuuuuuuuch bigger list, there......