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Will the Wii pass the GCN in # of AAA titles?

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noname2200 on 01 January 2010

That's what I said, repeatedly!



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Khuutra on 01 January 2010
noname2200 said:
That's what I said, repeatedly!

Now you know that ain't fair

He had a legitimate point on which he disagreed.

I man, I'm not going to stop saying "Metadarlings", but his complaint was fair for what it was - though I don't think the things he's worried about here are anything to worry about.



theRepublic on 01 January 2010
Carl2291 said:

Another thing to blame, is how the Wii has been marketted. Nintendo are more to blame than anyone/anything else for the poor 3rd party support.

You know who I blame for poor third party support?

Third parties.

Crazy concept, isn't it?



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BTSaga on 01 January 2010
Seece said:
Carl2291 said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Carl2291 said:
Khuutra said:
Some people have missed my point

Quality itself is not an indicator of AAA status. Budget and marketing emphasis is.

Yes, Lair and Haze were AAA titles

That is how meaningless it is in reference to quality.

In that case, how many AAA games does the Wii actually have?

According to many people, only a handful made by Nintendo itself.  Since only Nintendo has been making games that would be considered on the level of games that could compete with the HD games.

But I think, since Wii isn't competing with the HD systems and is in its own category, it should be more of a measure of what constitutes a 'high quality' game for that system.  Is Tales of Symphonia 2 AAA? Madworld?

Personally, I'd definitely count Monster Hunter Tri.  Along with the recent Resident Evil outings, eventhough they're rail shooters.  Heck, for a Wii title, Muramasa is even bordering on the high quality level.  But most people won't count that simply because its a 2D game that was made by a small studio and didn't cost tons of money to make.  Its a question of what you think consists of 'AAA'.  'Quality' or 'Costs to develop'.

Red - Since when? They get sales compared, so games should also be compared.

Wait for it, he'll tell you it's out fault and HD fans are the ones spouting that it's not competition.

Fact of the matter is wii fans are touchy about metacritic because it just doesn't stack up ... thus they come out with a host of reasons why metacritic sucks.

just like HD fans are touchy whenever wii fans bring up sales, i guess nobody wins



Kenryoku_Maxis on 01 January 2010
Seece said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Seece said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Seece said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Carl2291 said:

Red - Since when? They get sales compared, so games should also be compared.
Seece said:

Wait for it, he'll tell you it's out fault and HD fans are the ones spouting that it's not competition.

Fact of the matter is wii fans are touchy about metacritic because it just doesn't stack up ... thus they come out with a host of reasons why metacritic sucks.

Last gen did PS2 compare to GameCube or XBOX in graphics?  No, everyone will agree the PS2 had the weaker graphics.  And did PS2 have a TON of shovelware games compared to the other systems just like WII?  Yes, people often complained about it, with games like Mary Kate & Ashley go Shopping or Ponez alive!  But overall, their games that were deemed 'good' were often ranked equal or even better to that of the other two consoles.  The PS2 had over 70 games above a 90 score on Metacritic.  More than a few of them being of the puzzle, mini game or casual game variety.

This gen, Wii is in the same position, but its games are consistently downscored not only in graphics, but for things like 'lacks innovation' or for hidden metrics or BLATANT metrics in comparison to HD games (such as reviewers blatantly comparing them to games like GTAIV or Halo in their reviews).

So Sony gets a free ride last gen and Nintendo gets the microscope this gen?  Or is it because of something else?  Do enlighten me to why the Wii is in this predicament.  I find most people like to blame the Wii or defend reviewers or point the finger back at people who bring up this topic..anything to keep from thinking there could be any truth in this scenario.

Wii is not in the same position, PS2 got massive dev support, Wii does not.

Ah yes, Wii has no games.  Good comeback.  Reminds me of a year ago and the standard comebacks for the PS3.

Didn't say that, Don't twist my words again. It's an obvious fact that the level of support for Wii is nowhere near what the PS2 had, and you come back with that pathetic quip? try again.

I can say the same thing.  You didn't make any kind of answer to my points at all.  In fact, you completely dodged the topic just saying 'well, the Wii just has weak support'.  Why should I give you a full reponse to your points when you didn't to mine?

It can be argued that for the first 2 years of its life, the PS3 had even weaker support than the Wii.  It still doesn't account for why, overall, reviewer scores for the HD consoles, including the PS3, are favored higher than the Wii.  Or that games that actually TRIED to produce good games, such as Madworld, Little Kings Story or heck, Muramasa, which seemed to be enoyed by reviewers and even praised, still seemed to be purposefully downgraded.  I mean, look at Muramasa on IGN.  Is a score of 8.9 really necessary...  They could have easily given it a 9.0.

There, now I answered your point and we've been brought full circle back to my point.

didn't ask you to give me a full response, but twisting what I say is just stupid. I couldn't be bothered to read through all that drivel, sorry.

Someone who is telling someone else not to be condescending and trying to play the 'I won't be bothered to argue with you until you quit being a jerk' card should follow his own rules when talking to others.  The minute you tell someone 'I didn't even read what you said because its worthless', yeah, you're a condescending jerk who thinks his opinion is better than everyone else and is close minded to anyone elses opinion but yourself.

Which is what I was alluding to with my points while STILL being on topic.  Which is little more than I can say for you and your veiled insults all while completely ignoring my points and then crying about me 'twisting your words'. 



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Seece on 01 January 2010
BTSaga said:
Seece said:
Carl2291 said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Carl2291 said:
Khuutra said:
Some people have missed my point

Quality itself is not an indicator of AAA status. Budget and marketing emphasis is.

Yes, Lair and Haze were AAA titles

That is how meaningless it is in reference to quality.

In that case, how many AAA games does the Wii actually have?

According to many people, only a handful made by Nintendo itself.  Since only Nintendo has been making games that would be considered on the level of games that could compete with the HD games.

But I think, since Wii isn't competing with the HD systems and is in its own category, it should be more of a measure of what constitutes a 'high quality' game for that system.  Is Tales of Symphonia 2 AAA? Madworld?

Personally, I'd definitely count Monster Hunter Tri.  Along with the recent Resident Evil outings, eventhough they're rail shooters.  Heck, for a Wii title, Muramasa is even bordering on the high quality level.  But most people won't count that simply because its a 2D game that was made by a small studio and didn't cost tons of money to make.  Its a question of what you think consists of 'AAA'.  'Quality' or 'Costs to develop'.

Red - Since when? They get sales compared, so games should also be compared.

Wait for it, he'll tell you it's out fault and HD fans are the ones spouting that it's not competition.

Fact of the matter is wii fans are touchy about metacritic because it just doesn't stack up ... thus they come out with a host of reasons why metacritic sucks.

just like HD fans are touchy whenever wii fans bring up sales, i guess nobody wins

TBH I don't think HD fans even acknowledge Wii sales around here anymore. They're just used to the Wii selling bucketloads, it's not exciting anymore



 

theRepublic on 01 January 2010
Seece said:
Khuutra said:
Carl2291 said:

Graphics don't always matter. They were all still compared sales-wise and games-wise, and were in the same generation. The difference with PS2 to GC + XB though, is PS2 had a ton of shovelware, but also had by far the most "AAA" and 90+ rated games of the generation. With the Wii to 360 +PS3, the 2 more powerful machines have by far the most "AAA" games and 90+ rated games.

Wii is in a different position than PS2. Mainly because of how much more powerful the other 2 consoles are in comparison. While last gen, the difference between the consoles wasn't too big, 3rd parties could make virtually the same game on all 3 consoles, the most powerful and the best selling. This gen, it is completely different. PS3 and 360 together are outselling the Wii, so there is a bigger marketshare for the more powerful consoles, which in turn... Moves dev's towards them for the big games. Assassin's Creed 2, Modern Warfare 2... Etc.

Another thing to blame, is how the Wii has been marketted. Nintendo are more to blame than anyone/anything else for the poor 3rd party support. The Wii, has been marketted as a party console played by the whole family. Thus, the majority of people who buy the console are the "expanded market"... It's hard to imagine that expanded market buying 5-6 Million+ copies of a game where you run around an Italian city assassinating random people

The majority of Wii owners, are in this "expanded market". That, coupled with the fact 360+PS3 > Wii in marketshare... Will move a lot of developers towards PS360 for the really big "AAA" games.

I know this is another conversation tree, Carl, but you saw what I said above, right? How it's hard to measure AAA games on a single system?

I have no idea how many the Wii has

9

Did you even read the thread?



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Khuutra on 01 January 2010
theRepublic said:
Seece said:
Khuutra said:

I know this is another conversation tree, Carl, but you saw what I said above, right? How it's hard to measure AAA games on a single system?

I have no idea how many the Wii has

9

Did you even read the thread?

Wait, that had a meaning? I thought it was a miss-post



noname2200 on 01 January 2010
Khuutra said:
noname2200 said:
That's what I said, repeatedly!

Now you know that ain't fair

He had a legitimate point on which he disagreed.

I man, I'm not going to stop saying "Metadarlings", but his complaint was fair for what it was - though I don't think the things he's worried about here are anything to worry about.

No, what he had was a viewpoint which he clinged to long past the point of reason. His unwillingness to understand what others are getting at did not help, either.



Seece on 01 January 2010
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Seece said:

didn't ask you to give me a full response, but twisting what I say is just stupid. I couldn't be bothered to read through all that drivel, sorry.

Someone who is telling someone else not to be condescending and trying to play the 'I won't be bothered to argue with you until you quit being a jerk' card should follow his own rules when talking to others.  The minute you tell someone 'I didn't even read what you said because its worthless', yeah, you're a condescending jerk who thinks his opinion is better than everyone else and is close minded to anyone elses opinion but yourself.

Which is what I was alluding to with my points while STILL being on topic.  Which is little more than I can say for you and your veiled insults and while completely ignoring my points and then crying about me 'twisting your words'. 

I didn't say it was worthless I said it was drivel. I also don't think my opinion is any bette/stronger w/e than anyone elses thank you very much. Nor did I insult anyone. Unlike you, which I suggest you stop because it's frowned upon and you won't last long calling people jerks I assure you. I don't need to reply to all your points, there is no code of conduct when replying to people on how much of the post you need to reply to, I chose to reply to on piece (you comparing wii to ps2 in terms of software) and you then twisted it.