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Vetteman94 on 14 January 2010
SciFiBoy said:
Vetteman94 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Vetteman94 said:
SciFiBoy said:
"For a full roleclaim: I am a Summoner. My ability basically confers Paranoid Gun Nut status on a person for that night. If he is targeted by a killer then he lives and I die (along with the killer)."

^final-fans "full" roleclaim, mentions nothing of what j0 is suggesting (immunity to being targeted)


Who did he target last night?   I wonder if it works like a bus driver/body snatcher.   Where if he gets targeted, it goes to the person he targeted.   And whoever that was did they say they were blocked?

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=3045762&page=84&postnum=1

he says he targeted dsister...


And I couldnt find it but did dsister ever say he was blocked last night?

read the quoted posts in F-F's post

dsister said he cursed TOS, dsister also said he gained no new powers - but if F-F targeted him shouldnt he have gained F-F's powers? if both tell the truth?

this gets more and more intriguing as time goes by, I really wanna know what they have to say

I am starting to think this is Final-Fan's attempt to mass kill a bunch of townies to level the playing field for his mafia



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SciFiBoy on 14 January 2010

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=3018590&page=24&postnum=6

yes, here is dsisters role claim...this is so interesting...where the heck are people...respond damn it!

Im now almost certain one of you is lying or ommiting something deliberatley, the question then becomes, WHY?

why am I almost certain?

1) dsisters role claim means he gets the powers of anyone who targets him

2) Final-Fans "full" role claim says nothing of him being immune to either that or j0 targeting him

3) Final Fan claimed he targeted dsister, yet dsister claimed he didnt gain his power!?!

4) thus they cannot both be true, at least not the whole picture

5) why would either lie or hide parts of the truth?



c03n3nj0 on 14 January 2010

Anyways, I'm still curious about the Seraphic thing. And I was reading WoW's the morning post....

"The first among the dead was makingmusic476. It is readily apparent from the remains that he was expertly chopped to bits and then partially devoured some time later. Two sets of footprints lead away from the ghastly scene--one set made by men and one set made by something far, far larger. The next to be found was Seraphic_Sixaxis. Apparently the gaudy lifesize ice sculpture of Seraphic_Sixaxis wasn't just a statue."

Let's say Vetterman and I both targeted the same guy, wouldn't it say so? Maybe it was first guy to target gets to kill, but It clearly said two people for MakingMusic, but for Seraphic it doesn't imply anything.

So:

1- First one to send in PMs got it
2- One of us is lying (I know I killed him....)
3- Maybe it didn't say anything because we had the same role?

Care to add anything more vetterman?

This thing is just bothering me >_>



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Dgc1808 on 14 January 2010
Vetteman94 said:
nordlead said:
Vetteman94 said:
Dgc1808 said:

Me role will really hurt the town.

Your role hurts the town?   Or are you saying role claiming would hurt the town?   Role-Claiming would in no way hurt the town since we have ways of protecting people who are important.  So.........  I guess I am saying you should role-claim and tell us everything you did during the game

here is the conundrum with roleclaiming. You don't want to provide the scum with more information then they already have, however you do want the town to know what you are. If you're unimportant and roleclaim, all I do is help the scum target the important people. Say you have 5 pro-town unknown people and you have a cop & doctor. If you roleclaim townie, all you did was tell the mafia they now have a 1/2 chance of killing an important role rather than a 2/5.

So using myself and the current situation as an example, while we already had a bunch of power roles make claims, maybe I'm more powerful than those already claimed, or maybe I have a protective ability. Does the scum want to take a shot at me? If I'm a useless townie (for example what if I was a 1 shot vig who got blocked), they wasted a night killing someone they could have easily handled later, while right now they have to deal town organizing a giant power strike with a confirmed unknown role. Currently, the bigger threat is to SAK, who is the only confirmed protective role.

so ultimately, roleclaiming can sometimes cause more harm than good. You never want to roleclaim townie (instead you should claim pro-town), but you also should never lie about your role.
Well I dont believe this is one of those times.  Basically, if he doesnt roleclaim and give any relevant information, he is going to die.  If he really is pro-town he will try to help us make the right decision.  Role-claiming does a couple things that would help the town,  give us a better idea what we can accomplish tonight, give us a smaller list of suspects and thus a better chance at getting scum.  As far as I am concerned, anyone who doesnt role-claim when faced with death is probably going to turn up scum. 

Let's say you target me tonight and I survive. Then what?



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c03n3nj0 on 14 January 2010
SciFiBoy said:

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=3018590&page=24&postnum=6

yes, here is dsisters role claim...this is so interesting...where the heck are people...respond damn it!

Im now almost certain one of you is lying or ommiting something deliberatley, the question then becomes, WHY?

why am I almost certain?

1) dsisters role claim means he gets the powers of anyone who targets him

2) Final-Fans "full" role claim says nothing of him being immune to either that or j0 targeting him

3) Final Fan claimed he targeted dsister, yet dsister claimed he didnt gain his power!?!

4) thus they cannot both be true, at least not the whole picture

5) why would either lie or hide parts of the truth?

Number 3 is interesting.

Here's my theory.

I targeted Final-Fan, maybe Final-Fan is oblivious he got blocked, and then that's why dsister din'gt get any new powers?

Or maybe there went something wrong and I ended up sending nothing to WoW >_> 



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dsister44 on 14 January 2010
SciFiBoy said:

read the quoted posts in F-F's post

dsister said he cursed TOS, dsister also said he gained no new powers - but if F-F targeted him shouldnt he have gained F-F's powers? if both tell the truth?

this gets more and more intriguing as time goes by, I really wanna know what they have to say

WoW, forgot to send my PM. She said it here in the thread. I then got the message a second later. Final-Fan was not blocked 



Final-Fan on 14 January 2010
Vetteman94 said:
dsister44 said:
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Why would you think there was another Black Mage?   I doubt that WoW would overload the Town with that many power roles.

I'm going by the amount of nightkills on night 2

Yeah that makes sense, no one claimed the kill of theRepublic

It could easily have been me.  Falcon's role was public at that point and I protected him.  I doubt I'd get notified if my summon made a kill.  



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SciFiBoy on 14 January 2010
dsister44 said:
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read the quoted posts in F-F's post

dsister said he cursed TOS, dsister also said he gained no new powers - but if F-F targeted him shouldnt he have gained F-F's powers? if both tell the truth?

this gets more and more intriguing as time goes by, I really wanna know what they have to say

WoW, forgot to send my PM. She said it here in the thread. I then got the message a second later. Final-Fan was not blocked 

elaborate, you got F-F's powers? can you then confrim what they are? why take so long to say if this is true? (didnt WoW say the PM's were sent some time ago?)




hatmoza on 14 January 2010

This is getting crazy and I have a theory of the possibility of 2 dragons, because WE HAD SOMEONE FROZEN! I completely forgot about that.

I think the two dragons are a faction (and this is me being my crazy self with crazy ideas) an Ice dragon. And that is why there was a backup to the knight!

Tell me if that sounds crazy.



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c03n3nj0 on 14 January 2010
hatmoza said:
This is getting crazy and I have a theory of the possibility of 2 dragons, because WE HAD SOMEONE FROZEN! I completely forgot about that.

I think the two dragons are a faction (and this is me being my crazy self with crazy ideas) an Ice dragon. And that is why there was a backup to the knight!

Tell me if that sounds crazy.

It does.

I was the one who froze Seraphic, you know, having magic n' all. I can do stuff with my wand.  

 

@ dsister, if you did get the powers then I guess my theory is void >_>



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