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famousringo on 30 December 2009
BigBoobieHead said:
Wonder what would the outcome have been if the man had been American with the backing of the U.S.A?

I'm not sure if things would have turned out any different. The US is no less dependant on China than the rest of the West.

China doesn't much like paying attention to people outside of China. They're so huge that they've always been more focused on internal cohesion than international affairs. All in all, I think that's a good thing.



"The worst part about these reviews is they are [subjective]--and their scores often depend on how drunk you got the media at a Street Fighter event."  — Mona Hamilton, Capcom Senior VP of Marketing
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Retrasado on 30 December 2009
famousringo said:
BigBoobieHead said:
Wonder what would the outcome have been if the man had been American with the backing of the U.S.A?

I'm not sure if things would have turned out any different. The US is no less dependant on China than the rest of the West.

China doesn't much like paying attention to people outside of China. They're so huge that they've always been more focused on internal cohesion than international affairs. All in all, I think that's a good thing.

Actually, the US is far less dependent on China than most other Western countries simply because it does have some industrial capablility left and the US still possess incredibly vast reserves of natural resources. While the US does do a lot of trade with China, the vast majority of this country's trade is NOT with them and coupled with the aforementioned industrial capabilites, curtailing trade with China would not have nearly as large an effect on the US economy as it would on most Western European nations.

This is not to say such a course of action would be desirable, but I can't imagine that China wants to raise the ire of the US government any more than it already is given the still vast gap in military power and worldwide influence between the two countries. (The US budgeted $623 billion for miltary expenditures in 2008; more than 6 times China's $85-$100 billion and more than 41% of the worldwide total)



Not trying to be a fanboy. Of course, it's hard when you own the best console eve... dang it

gurglesletch on 30 December 2009
NKAJ said:
gurglesletch said:
NKAJ said:
Soleron said:

The UK is useless diplomatically (and politically) anyway. Brown thinks he can influence the world, when he can't get his country to vote for him.

We aren't an economic power, save for the undue respect we get from when we were. We are in so much debt that not even optimistic propaganda-level predictions can forsee us with a balanced budget; our economy is all based on hollow consumer spending but we produce nothing of value except for financial services which have collapsed. Our government is unpopular but has refused to hold any elections until the last possible moment, while introducing stupid and unpopular policies(such as handing the music and film industry £1b to cut off the internet access of 'file sharers' while hoping to get the money back in increased VAT from music/film sales (which will fail)). The first thing they have promised to cut, instead of peripheral services, is higher education funding at a time when education is all that will save us from future economic disasters.

I hate living in Britain.


not to worry,we still have one of the best armed forces and certainly the best special forces...next time those chinese try and excecute an Briton,just call Andy Mcnab and his pals...

Why not Soap Mactavish and Capt. Price?

As cool as Captain Price is,hes not real (well not for anybody else anyway)

How do you know that he is not real? 




Get your Portable ID!

highwaystar101 on 30 December 2009
Soleron said:
NiKKoM said:
DSLover said:
Britain has been utterly irrelevant for years now. It's a terrible place to live in.

Well luckly the British still shine in great sports like... snooker... darts.. cricket... sailing.. >_>

OT: China has the entire world at their balls.. get used to it!

Also rowing, cycling and possibly horse jumping.

We're good at pub sports and sitting-down sports.

Yes, the British do have a penchant for dressage and other equestrian sports, it has resulted in us becoming quite skilled where other countries just aren't interested enough to become good. If the Olympic committee included standing in queues, crochet and caber tossing, then we would clean up every four years.

They should also give out gold medals for coming fourth, just to seal our dominance.



AvZeroMkA157 on 30 December 2009

The problem is not really the UK or Chinese government.

Akmal Shaikh was pretty much confirmed to be guilty of drug trafficking. At least, I have not come across any compelling evidence or hints to think otherwise. He needed to be punished. However, the right punishment was hard to carry out, which is why he was held for about 2 years after his sentence.

The Chinese government would be accused of double standards and human rights violation no matter how they handled it, but the only difference is who is going to be the main accuser.

If Akmal Shaikh lives, the local Chinese will protest against the Chinese judicial system because the Chinese government has pretty much executed everyone else they caught with similar offenses.

If the Chinese government did not allow UK to influence the decision, international communities would protest like they are doing now.

It is a lose-lose situation.



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famousringo on 30 December 2009
Retrasado said:
famousringo said:
BigBoobieHead said:
Wonder what would the outcome have been if the man had been American with the backing of the U.S.A?

I'm not sure if things would have turned out any different. The US is no less dependant on China than the rest of the West.

China doesn't much like paying attention to people outside of China. They're so huge that they've always been more focused on internal cohesion than international affairs. All in all, I think that's a good thing.

Actually, the US is far less dependent on China than most other Western countries simply because it does have some industrial capablility left and the US still possess incredibly vast reserves of natural resources. While the US does do a lot of trade with China, the vast majority of this country's trade is NOT with them and coupled with the aforementioned industrial capabilites, curtailing trade with China would not have nearly as large an effect on the US economy as it would on most Western European nations.

This is not to say such a course of action would be desirable, but I can't imagine that China wants to raise the ire of the US government any more than it already is given the still vast gap in military power and worldwide influence between the two countries. (The US budgeted $623 billion for miltary expenditures in 2008; more than 6 times China's $85-$100 billion and more than 41% of the worldwide total)

Have you checked who's been financing America's debts lately? Pissing off your bank manager is no way to get a loan.



"The worst part about these reviews is they are [subjective]--and their scores often depend on how drunk you got the media at a Street Fighter event."  — Mona Hamilton, Capcom Senior VP of Marketing
*Image indefinitely borrowed from BrainBoxLtd without his consent.

SLIisanownsystem on 30 December 2009
Soleron said:

The UK is useless diplomatically (and politically) anyway. Brown thinks he can influence the world, when he can't get his country to vote for him.

We aren't an economic power, save for the undue respect we get from when we were. We are in so much debt that not even optimistic propaganda-level predictions can forsee us with a balanced budget; our economy is all based on hollow consumer spending but we produce nothing of value except for financial services which have collapsed. Our government is unpopular but has refused to hold any elections until the last possible moment, while introducing stupid and unpopular policies(such as handing the music and film industry £1b to cut off the internet access of 'file sharers' while hoping to get the money back in increased VAT from music/film sales (which will fail)). The first thing they have promised to cut, instead of peripheral services, is higher education funding at a time when education is all that will save us from future economic disasters.

I hate living in Britain.

yeah even germany has more power in the world than you lol.



tombi123 on 30 December 2009

We were powerful when it mattered. What language are you writing in now?



SLIisanownsystem on 31 December 2009

american



MontanaHatchet on 31 December 2009
tombi123 said:
We were powerful when it mattered. What language are you writing in now?

Ahh, England. The nation of "we once were."