The bolded part made me laugh. Only a FEW multiplats looks FAR BETTER on 360 ( Bayonetta, Orange Box,  Ghostbusters... ) There are some multiplats that look better on PS3 as well ( Obivilion, Burnout Paradise, GTA IV, Batman AA...) but most of the time you cant even spot a diffrence on most of multiplats unless you have the eagle eye.

Early tech-demos of both, of which have both been shown on 360 have already superceded them.

Naughty Dog already confirming they've maxed out the PS3 and are only reliant on optimisations and Crysis 2 looks like a generation beyond it.

Nothing...but they've shown nothing otherwise to contradict it, no videos, no demos, no games. If they did you'd have a point. Plus having their devs say they're maxed out on the system doesn't help...i've got Jak 2 & Jak 3 and there's not much of a tangible leap between them.

Uh, Epic already clarified that neither Gears of War maxed out the system, I think you're confusing announcements with negative spin by fanboys.

Well you could justify it if you had footage of such a game, like I am with Crysis 2. The only difference is is tangible, real and has a confirmed release, whereas you'd be just claiming a game would look better without seeing it.

No, no, no, I'm questioning how one can justify that Cell & Blu-ray were provably beneficial - aside form things like 7.1 and higher def movies - when future products look to prove otherwise. I'm not saying the 360s better hardware for it (though I suspect C2 will run better on it given the statistics of cross platform games), but it's like saying Resistance 1 justified Cell, when compared to Modern Warfare (1) it looked naff.

Which words? That the PS3 is the lowest denominator for a lot of developers or that CE3 maxes out the PS3 or that 360 does the better graphics and PS3 does better physics.

And? How come we don't see the same kind of divide in Tekken 6 on 360 as we do in CoD: MW2 and Assassins Creed 2?

in my opinion, crysis 2 ( on consoles ) does not look better than uncharted 2. and even if it does turn out to be better, uncharted 3 will probably beat it.

Thats the point though, its silly the pettyness that repeats on and on in every thread when people mention PS3 exclusives look better there is inevitably arguments then on multiplats looking worse.  By the way Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 don't look FAR better than anything on the 360 either so I don't understand what the issue is.  You would think the difference was a generation gap in the way some people act.

@MikeB - There is plenty of evidence of you misusing dev quotes, I'll pm some friends on here to come and talk with you if you like. 

During the reading of this topic i must say i ve changed my opinion on ps3's cell beneficiency.

I realized just now that in ps3 cell is actually rendering something, calculating not only the instructions to send to rsx and directing the memory flow between xdr and rsx, but its also working really hard on the pictrue quallity.

And to be honest with you i never heared of anything like this before except for software calculated physics or other emulated things but working on a pictrue and animations? In a 300mln transistors chip thats very much like larabee which occured to be so big of failure that even Intel with its massive funds couldn't do anything to make it work.

In contrast normal processors like xbox's amd's intel's dont do such stuff. I'll say even more they aren't designed to do that stuff. I belive that even wii has a processor that doesn't tackle that subject.

So when ps3 was first introduced to mass media i watched every conferennce, read every news about it and never realized what was the case when producers ware switching to multiplatform development or just dumbing or dumping their games on ps3.

The thing is that when a new technology is introdueced, hyped and so on and so on people think of it as a secound coming of Jesus. But then we meet with such a thick iron wall which hits us so hard, so really hard, that the dissapointment is so great because it always don't live up to the expectations and in ps3's case it failed so hard that we're left only with bitter taste in our mouths and our trust is siriusly dameged.

I think i got a little sidetracked here so ill just cut to the point. Processors aren't made to calculate graphics they're not a graphic unites to do so. When a cell was made it was a powerfull chip but not to calculate graphics. The reason it has 6 cores (which aren't all tasks cores) is to calculate other things. Like sending wright instructions to the rsx or (if sony didn't cut out it last moment) to sending diffrent video streams on two hdmis or more. And so the transistion (that actually was dependent on a wright sdk from sony more then developers job) was very difficult becouse it wasn't an evolution of an existing architectures but a completely new design that could do multi tasks but not right out of the box.

If for example instead of cell we'd have an amd's or intel's desktop design like a quad core processor, the ps3'd had its exclusives, promissed titles on lunch. On the other side however with a quad chip and rsx tandem we wouldn't get an uncharted's great enviroments or killzones or even those milions of grass leafs in flower, all of that wouldn't be passible. However if instead of nvidias bulk chip desig we got an amd radeon with its 5d shader system not only we'd have those tittles but futhermore we'd got them with higher resolution textures or other fancy stuff.

On the blu-ray side it's a definetly benficial component, with its high storage capacity and win in a format war a strong benefit.

I having both in one system...

trust mikeb to start of such a thread. where is he by the way? has he been banned or something?

the real answer to this is:

if u r a 360 fanboy, u will say th3 c3ll is nothing special
if u r a ps3 fanboy, u will say th3 c3ll is b3yond special

lets face it, half the arguments dont on here do not even speak or look at technicalities, they are just speculations, assumptions, preferences, hate etc

this is a never ending saga of debates made pointless by people who pick sides and or people who want to force their opinion onto others. those who often try give a balanced reasoning either get ignored or blasted on.