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loves2splooge on 30 December 2009

I second that this title should say "there are a few jrpg fans, but a lot of FF fans." Several western rpgs have hit the mainstream. Morrowind and Oblivion, Fallout, KOTOR and Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Fable, etc. And you can make the case for Bioshock and Borderlands as well since they are hybrid FPS/wrpg games. Also keep in mind that it's not like western rpgs only started to become popular with Morrowind and KOTOR. Diablo, which sold several millions, was probably the first wrpg to really hit the mainstream (and in the west, it's more popular than Final Fantasy). It's just that wrpg elitists like to say that Diablo isn't an rpg even though Diablo was clearly influenced by Moria and other rogue-likes and dungeon crawlers, which are without a doubt RPGs.



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Kenryoku_Maxis on 30 December 2009
Scoobes said:
riecsou said:
Scoobes said:
I know we don't have sales data for PC, but a lot of the Western RPGs sell well on PC and the general trend on PC is that games tend to have legs. Dragon Age was well-received on PC and it was widely publicised that the PC version was superior to the console ports. Oblivion and Fallout 3 too, and the console versions sold quite well. I believe The Witcher also sold well on PC and I remember reading a while back that it broke 1 million (for a PC game from a fairly small dev tis quite impressive). Then there is Mass Effect which sold well on top of Fable 2 that you mentioned. I don't doubt that Mass Effect 2, Witcher 2, Fallout: Vegas, Fable 3 and Elder Scrolls V will all sell well when released.

And I haven't even started on the monster that is World of Warcraft or other MMORPGs.

So, it's probably more accurate to say that "There are a few JRPG fans, but lots of Final Fantasy fans", because WRPGs this gen seem to be selling OK.

World of Warcraft is a monster: 23 Millions copies for 3 games and average of 7.66 Millions per games. It is probably the only games that sell worlwide as good as the past FF games and Diablo II on the PC has done great too(around 5 Millions). But in all the RPGs released this gen  (PS3, Xbox360 and Wii) and selling Wordwide for a while FF XIII with its first week and selling only in Japan is already 7th behing 5 games on the Xbox360 and 1 game on the PS3 and 0 game on the Wii. About Mass Effect 2, Witcher 2, Fallout: Vegas, Fable 3 and Elder Scrolls V, I only trust Mass Effect 2 and Fable 3 because the Xbox360 fans are probably the greatest fan in the World and they really buy exclusive.

I wouldn't underestimate the strength of the Fallout franchise or Elder Scrolls for that matter. They're on 3 seperate platforms and will likely outsell Mass Effect 2 and Fable 3 because of this.

Well being on multiple consoles doesn't exactly mean a strength.  If you're going by pure sales, the fact that those games have to be on multiple consoles means they have to work 3x harder to make up the sales of other titles.  Much like the upcoming Final Fantasy XIII is probably only going to sell around 4-5 million on 2 different consoles whereas Dragon Quest IX is going to do the same or better on just the DS.

Games like World of Warcraft or Diablo are a major exception to the rule, as are Dragon Quest.  Final Fantasy use to be, but they have been so over-saturated that they are no longer special and their fanbase is diluted.  As well, games like Fallout and the Elder Scrolls aren't at the level of a FInal Fantasy or World of Warcraft, which is why they have to spread themselves out to multiple platforms to try to gain additional sales (which is good that they do that).  The sales for Fallout 3 were actually above expectations.



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Strategyking92 on 31 December 2009

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I think it is also safe to add borderlands as well as an exception for this year. And if we go even farther back there are more exceptions... To the point where the wrpg genre has just been doing well and the exceptions don't really seem like exceptions anymore. IMO.



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Scoobes on 31 December 2009
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Scoobes said:
riecsou said:
Scoobes said:
I know we don't have sales data for PC, but a lot of the Western RPGs sell well on PC and the general trend on PC is that games tend to have legs. Dragon Age was well-received on PC and it was widely publicised that the PC version was superior to the console ports. Oblivion and Fallout 3 too, and the console versions sold quite well. I believe The Witcher also sold well on PC and I remember reading a while back that it broke 1 million (for a PC game from a fairly small dev tis quite impressive). Then there is Mass Effect which sold well on top of Fable 2 that you mentioned. I don't doubt that Mass Effect 2, Witcher 2, Fallout: Vegas, Fable 3 and Elder Scrolls V will all sell well when released.

And I haven't even started on the monster that is World of Warcraft or other MMORPGs.

So, it's probably more accurate to say that "There are a few JRPG fans, but lots of Final Fantasy fans", because WRPGs this gen seem to be selling OK.

World of Warcraft is a monster: 23 Millions copies for 3 games and average of 7.66 Millions per games. It is probably the only games that sell worlwide as good as the past FF games and Diablo II on the PC has done great too(around 5 Millions). But in all the RPGs released this gen  (PS3, Xbox360 and Wii) and selling Wordwide for a while FF XIII with its first week and selling only in Japan is already 7th behing 5 games on the Xbox360 and 1 game on the PS3 and 0 game on the Wii. About Mass Effect 2, Witcher 2, Fallout: Vegas, Fable 3 and Elder Scrolls V, I only trust Mass Effect 2 and Fable 3 because the Xbox360 fans are probably the greatest fan in the World and they really buy exclusive.

I wouldn't underestimate the strength of the Fallout franchise or Elder Scrolls for that matter. They're on 3 seperate platforms and will likely outsell Mass Effect 2 and Fable 3 because of this.

Well being on multiple consoles doesn't exactly mean a strength.  If you're going by pure sales, the fact that those games have to be on multiple consoles means they have to work 3x harder to make up the sales of other titles.  Much like the upcoming Final Fantasy XIII is probably only going to sell around 4-5 million on 2 different consoles whereas Dragon Quest IX is going to do the same or better on just the DS.

Games like World of Warcraft or Diablo are a major exception to the rule, as are Dragon Quest.  Final Fantasy use to be, but they have been so over-saturated that they are no longer special and their fanbase is diluted.  As well, games like Fallout and the Elder Scrolls aren't at the level of a FInal Fantasy or World of Warcraft, which is why they have to spread themselves out to multiple platforms to try to gain additional sales (which is good that they do that).  The sales for Fallout 3 were actually above expectations.

To bolded: Not sure what you mean. If you mean the work the dev puts in then you'd be wrong as the porting process between PS3, 360 and PC isn't shouldn't be that hard this late in the gen, and they all share similar art assets. Other than that I don't see how a title has to work any harder to get sales. The marketing is for all 3 platforms and you have a much larger userbase to sell to, so if anything it's easier. Why limit your title to a userbase of 30 million when you could be going for a userbase of 50+ million?




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oldschoolfool on 31 December 2009

I'm not a big fan of rpg's,but for some reason I bought dragon age orgins and I actually like the game. I like the dark atmoshpere in the game. Normally rpg's are just to long. I personally don't want to invest 100 hrs in one game and still not complete it. I want games that are just long enough. That's why I love fps.