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Stats87 on 28 December 2009
Senlis said:
demonfox13 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
riecsou said:

Go look up Pokemon's sales then point and laugh at Final Fantasy.  RPGs are, mostly, still niche outside of a few.

Honestly I do not understand what the hell people see in pokemon, unless they are 12. The very first one was fine, ok maybe the second one was still ok but it just got ridiculous to me. 

Back on topic, I really believe that alot of good and better rpg's go overlooked because of Final Fantasy. I mean look at Vagrant Story, that game was a masterpiece. Also Valkyrie Profile1, 2, xenogears, breath of fire, lunar, shadow hearts 1 and 2, Legend of Legaia, Legend of Dragoon, Legend of Mana, Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross. I mean damn, most of those games I would beat at LEAST 2-3 times (more if it's Chrono series).

This reminds me of the classic example of Zelda on the NES when The Magic of Scheherazade was a FAAAAR superior game to Zelda 1 and 2.

BTW, does anyone remember a gem called Brave Fencer Musashi?

Pokemon Red and Blue were amazingly original games at the time.  I actually got all 150 in blue; My friend got red.  After that they become old and boring after the re-released the same game under different names.

Same with me.

I was 10-years-old and got Red for Christmas, my Cousin got Blue. We both got 151 Pokemon (we also got Mew) and dueled the heck out of each other.

Then Yellow came out, he got it, I tried it and thought "I'm not going through this again" and haven't played a Pokemon game since.



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Stats87 on 28 December 2009
Xen said:
I do not get what people see in Pokemon period.

Well, when I was into Pokemon the show, I loved the original games. However, that was 10 years ago and the games don't interest me at all anymore. I have a couple friends who play it on the DS and I don't get it.

However, I have the sudden urge to play Red now...



Kenryoku_Maxis on 28 December 2009
Stats87 said:
Xen said:
I do not get what people see in Pokemon period.

Well, when I was into Pokemon the show, I loved the original games. However, that was 10 years ago and the games don't interest me at all anymore. I have a couple friends who play it on the DS and I don't get it.

However, I have the sudden urge to play Red now...

Which they made a remake for the original games on the Game Boy Advance.

Nobody escapes Pokemon!  Though I've recently tried....  I'm not going to buy Soul Silver....  I'm not going to buy Soul Silver....  I'm not going to buy Soul Silver....



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riecsou on 28 December 2009
jammy2211 said:
Dragon Quest 0_o.

I also thought about Dragon Quest in the beginning but then I calculated that 90% of all the series have been sold only in Japan and the other 10% outside of Japan. It only confirms that there are a few RPG fans but a lot of FF fans.



loves2splooge on 28 December 2009
demonfox13 said:
Senlis said:
demonfox13 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
riecsou said:

This means to me that there are a few RPG fans, but a lot of FF fans

Go look up Pokemon's sales then point and laugh at Final Fantasy.  RPGs are, mostly, still niche outside of a few.

Honestly I do not understand what the hell people see in pokemon, unless they are 12. The very first one was fine, ok maybe the second one was still ok but it just got ridiculous to me. 

Back on topic, I really believe that alot of good and better rpg's go overlooked because of Final Fantasy. I mean look at Vagrant Story, that game was a masterpiece. Also Valkyrie Profile1, 2, xenogears, breath of fire, lunar, shadow hearts 1 and 2, Legend of Legaia, Legend of Dragoon, Legend of Mana, Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross. I mean damn, most of those games I would beat at LEAST 2-3 times (more if it's Chrono series).

This reminds me of the classic example of Zelda on the NES when The Magic of Scheherazade was a FAAAAR superior game to Zelda 1 and 2.

BTW, does anyone remember a gem called Brave Fencer Musashi?

Pokemon Red and Blue were amazingly original games at the time.  I actually got all 150 in blue; My friend got red.  After that they become old and boring after the re-released the same game under different names.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, finally someone that is not a blinded fanboy. Yes Red and Blue were in fact fun at the time. Reading this topic I realize how many great games go severely underappreciated do to blind following and blind loyalty. I have seen series come out that either do not improve or drop in quality. Best example would be Zelda. After Ocarina of Time, it just went down hill, yet I see people crying when they see 1 picture of Link for the next Zelda game. Final Fantasy seems to have suffered from this also. I loved the fact that FF IX went back to the FF roots but after than ....People really need to stop being so close minded and see what other gems are out there, I mean I could make an extensive list of games from the NES all the way to the PS3/360/Wii: The Magic of Scheherazade, Xexyz, Kid Chameleon, Blue's Journey, Chrono Trigger (yes, just look at the sales of the original on SNES), Chrono Cross, Shadow Hearts: Covenant, Bonk, Guilty Gear Series, Blazblue, Brave Fencer Musashi, Koudelka, Kartia, Vagrant Story, Demon's Souls, Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter, Valkyrie Profile 1 and 2, etc, etc, etc.

I own both Magic of Scheherazade and Xexyz. Good games. MoS was like a hybrid action-rpg/turn-based rpg (half Zelda, half Dragon Quest basically) and Xexyz from what i recall was like half 2D platformer, half shmup.



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riecsou on 28 December 2009
Scoobes said:
I know we don't have sales data for PC, but a lot of the Western RPGs sell well on PC and the general trend on PC is that games tend to have legs. Dragon Age was well-received on PC and it was widely publicised that the PC version was superior to the console ports. Oblivion and Fallout 3 too, and the console versions sold quite well. I believe The Witcher also sold well on PC and I remember reading a while back that it broke 1 million (for a PC game from a fairly small dev tis quite impressive). Then there is Mass Effect which sold well on top of Fable 2 that you mentioned. I don't doubt that Mass Effect 2, Witcher 2, Fallout: Vegas, Fable 3 and Elder Scrolls V will all sell well when released.

And I haven't even started on the monster that is World of Warcraft or other MMORPGs.

So, it's probably more accurate to say that "There are a few JRPG fans, but lots of Final Fantasy fans", because WRPGs this gen seem to be selling OK.

World of Warcraft is a monster: 23 Millions copies for 3 games and average of 7.66 Millions per games. It is probably the only games that sell worlwide as good as the past FF games and Diablo II on the PC has done great too(around 5 Millions). But in all the RPGs released this gen  (PS3, Xbox360 and Wii) and selling Wordwide for a while FF XIII with its first week and selling only in Japan is already 7th behing 5 games on the Xbox360 and 1 game on the PS3 and 0 game on the Wii. About Mass Effect 2, Witcher 2, Fallout: Vegas, Fable 3 and Elder Scrolls V, I only trust Mass Effect 2 and Fable 3 because the Xbox360 fans are probably the greatest fan in the World and they really buy exclusive.



dharh on 29 December 2009

Pokemon _was_ something new. New things can often fail hard or are major successes. Ex: Wii vs PSP-GO

Original Pokemon hit the imagination and the obsessive compulsion man kid gamers have (some adults too I guess). Not to mention is a portal and very casual game. All the ingredients for a must buy game. Pokemon has been riding that wave ever since. New gimmicks, re-makes, and cartoon tie-ins have tried to keep the wave going, but the sales have never been as good as the originals.



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iLLmaticV3 on 29 December 2009

Final Fantasy is for the casual RPG gamer, they are never too difficult and easy to pick up and play.

Final Fantasy also appeals to a larger audience than most other RPG's on the market.

Also, don't forget the high production value's each Final Fantasy game has.



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Scoobes on 30 December 2009
riecsou said:
Scoobes said:
I know we don't have sales data for PC, but a lot of the Western RPGs sell well on PC and the general trend on PC is that games tend to have legs. Dragon Age was well-received on PC and it was widely publicised that the PC version was superior to the console ports. Oblivion and Fallout 3 too, and the console versions sold quite well. I believe The Witcher also sold well on PC and I remember reading a while back that it broke 1 million (for a PC game from a fairly small dev tis quite impressive). Then there is Mass Effect which sold well on top of Fable 2 that you mentioned. I don't doubt that Mass Effect 2, Witcher 2, Fallout: Vegas, Fable 3 and Elder Scrolls V will all sell well when released.

And I haven't even started on the monster that is World of Warcraft or other MMORPGs.

So, it's probably more accurate to say that "There are a few JRPG fans, but lots of Final Fantasy fans", because WRPGs this gen seem to be selling OK.

World of Warcraft is a monster: 23 Millions copies for 3 games and average of 7.66 Millions per games. It is probably the only games that sell worlwide as good as the past FF games and Diablo II on the PC has done great too(around 5 Millions). But in all the RPGs released this gen  (PS3, Xbox360 and Wii) and selling Wordwide for a while FF XIII with its first week and selling only in Japan is already 7th behing 5 games on the Xbox360 and 1 game on the PS3 and 0 game on the Wii. About Mass Effect 2, Witcher 2, Fallout: Vegas, Fable 3 and Elder Scrolls V, I only trust Mass Effect 2 and Fable 3 because the Xbox360 fans are probably the greatest fan in the World and they really buy exclusive.

I wouldn't underestimate the strength of the Fallout franchise or Elder Scrolls for that matter. They're on 3 seperate platforms and will likely outsell Mass Effect 2 and Fable 3 because of this.




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riecsou on 30 December 2009
Scoobes said:
riecsou said:
Scoobes said:
I know we don't have sales data for PC, but a lot of the Western RPGs sell well on PC and the general trend on PC is that games tend to have legs. Dragon Age was well-received on PC and it was widely publicised that the PC version was superior to the console ports. Oblivion and Fallout 3 too, and the console versions sold quite well. I believe The Witcher also sold well on PC and I remember reading a while back that it broke 1 million (for a PC game from a fairly small dev tis quite impressive). Then there is Mass Effect which sold well on top of Fable 2 that you mentioned. I don't doubt that Mass Effect 2, Witcher 2, Fallout: Vegas, Fable 3 and Elder Scrolls V will all sell well when released.

And I haven't even started on the monster that is World of Warcraft or other MMORPGs.

So, it's probably more accurate to say that "There are a few JRPG fans, but lots of Final Fantasy fans", because WRPGs this gen seem to be selling OK.

World of Warcraft is a monster: 23 Millions copies for 3 games and average of 7.66 Millions per games. It is probably the only games that sell worlwide as good as the past FF games and Diablo II on the PC has done great too(around 5 Millions). But in all the RPGs released this gen  (PS3, Xbox360 and Wii) and selling Wordwide for a while FF XIII with its first week and selling only in Japan is already 7th behing 5 games on the Xbox360 and 1 game on the PS3 and 0 game on the Wii. About Mass Effect 2, Witcher 2, Fallout: Vegas, Fable 3 and Elder Scrolls V, I only trust Mass Effect 2 and Fable 3 because the Xbox360 fans are probably the greatest fan in the World and they really buy exclusive.

I wouldn't underestimate the strength of the Fallout franchise or Elder Scrolls for that matter. They're on 3 seperate platforms and will likely outsell Mass Effect 2 and Fable 3 because of this.

I am not really understimate the strength of Fallout or Elder Scrolls. And if you take there sales on all platforms then you are right they will outsell Mass Effect and Fable 2. They will sell more than 1 Million on each platform but I think they will sell less than their predecessor on each platform. I think that only Fable 3 and Mass Effect 2 can actually sell more than their predecessor and that is my reason for trusting them more than the others.