Ohhh...nothing...I'm so surprised...lol. Show me some numbers and then we can continue to talk...not stupid internet links to speculation and rumors.

I gave you every link you needed. PS business is profitable, which nullifies this ridiculous doom thread.

Still, you can grab the full numbers on financial sites if you want. I've lost enough time like that on this joke thread.

The fact that this thread comes the week Sony sold 1 million PS3 (a lot more than the number of 360 sold you know) makes it even more comical than a standard Sony doom thread.

I'll post some numbers you might understand

1. you dont know what pioneer means

2. you dont know what rumor means

3. you have poor logic.

...seriously... it aint rumor if its confirmed. You are the one who doesn't know what they are talking about why would we argue with you if you are just going to go "lalala cant hear you" when a link of a sony ceo (someone who knows sony a shit load better than you or squil ever will) confirms your wrong.

I just love the nonsense posting...puts a smile on my face...still waiting for some $$$ numbers.

Sure...whatever you say....

Kaz Hirai specifically said that the PS division was positive in gross profit, which is a very specific term that excludes many costs such as R&D, taxes, payroll, interest and other overhead costs.

For example, a company like GM could be making a gross profit on vehicles, but could be getting eaten alive  in labor, taxes and interest costs. Gross profit is a very poor measure because so many significant costs are excluded.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=57802

These numbers?

No it hasn't? Actually it's quite the opposite? When did it go up and during what timeframe are you refering too?

Squil makes a dry, emotionless, fact backed analytical thread and gets eaten alive by a vocal minority of colorful, emotional, passionate 'fans' of either Sony or Playstation.

Seriously, a lot of you need to chillllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll. Hope I'm not coming off as a Squil apologist (I often enjoy his satire, though), but he presented his facts and gave his analysis. He's not wrong for that. We'll have to see how it plays out, but it's interesting.

The truth is that this is a sales based site and a lot of the threads here are about sales. But sales and financial data are as intertwined as an RPG and stats. Any reasonable 'fan' should be actively interested in the financial health of their respective console of choice.

If those numbers are not good, the REALITY of the situation is that the company may decide to give up on the console business. "That's ridiculous, Darth Tigris. You're an idiot for even typing that!" Yeah ... but I was a big, BIG Sega fan that got a huge dose of reality on January 31, 2001. I grew up as a gamer that day ( . . . or rather later that year; I needed time to mourn), and some of you obviously have never been through that.

These publicly traded companies must make a profit from their console divisions or they will not be able to continue in it. And that profit can't be slight or short-lived; it must be sustainable. The current Playstation model is NOT sustainable. Considering the overall health of Sony as a company makes the situation even less tenable.

So, long story short, SONY PLAYSTATION FAN(BOY)S SHOULD BE MORE GRATEFUL FOR THESE TYPES OF THREADS INSTEAD OF CRITICAL. Demand changes in the PS business model. Make the leadership more accountable for ill advised decisions. And do all of this while celebrating the games that you love. It shows growth, maturity and the realization of the brand loyalty that you claim to possess so completely.

"Squil makes a dry, emotionless, fact backed analytical thread and gets eaten alive by a vocal minority of colorful, emotional, passionate 'fans' of either Sony or Playstation."

wrong on all accounts.