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mhsillen said:
Vetteman94 said:
mhsillen said:
I think the gap will be close to 50 million when all is said and done

Oh are we talking about the 360 and the PS3
Usually people are more interested in who finishes first

We are,  the Wii doesnt count.

 

(see I can troll too)

I'm not trolling just clarifying

Actually I think the Wii in first is very interesting considering they went in a different direction and grabbed the lead over the overwhelming favorite and runner up

What exactly were you clarifying? The OP and thread title clearly shows that this is about PS3 - 360 gap (we all know that the PS3- Wii gap is greater than 5.7 million) and not PS3 - Wii gap. People aren't interesten in who's finishing first any more, that's a given, the fight for 2nd place is close and exciting to watch and is still a toss up. People love a thriller. And posting unrelated posts apparently.



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Mummelmann said:
mhsillen said:
Vetteman94 said:
mhsillen said:
I think the gap will be close to 50 million when all is said and done

Oh are we talking about the 360 and the PS3
Usually people are more interested in who finishes first

We are,  the Wii doesnt count.

 

(see I can troll too)

I'm not trolling just clarifying

Actually I think the Wii in first is very interesting considering they went in a different direction and grabbed the lead over the overwhelming favorite and runner up

What exactly were you clarifying? The OP and thread title clearly shows that this is about PS3 - 360 gap (we all know that the PS3- Wii gap is greater than 5.7 million) and not PS3 - Wii gap. People aren't interesten in who's finishing first any more, that's a given, the fight for 2nd place is close and exciting to watch and is still a toss up. People love a thriller. And posting unrelated posts apparently.

the op said "honestly now how close will the gap get

 



mhsillen said:
Mummelmann said:
mhsillen said:
Vetteman94 said:
mhsillen said:
I think the gap will be close to 50 million when all is said and done

Oh are we talking about the 360 and the PS3
Usually people are more interested in who finishes first

We are,  the Wii doesnt count.

 

(see I can troll too)

I'm not trolling just clarifying

Actually I think the Wii in first is very interesting considering they went in a different direction and grabbed the lead over the overwhelming favorite and runner up

What exactly were you clarifying? The OP and thread title clearly shows that this is about PS3 - 360 gap (we all know that the PS3- Wii gap is greater than 5.7 million) and not PS3 - Wii gap. People aren't interesten in who's finishing first any more, that's a given, the fight for 2nd place is close and exciting to watch and is still a toss up. People love a thriller. And posting unrelated posts apparently.

the op said "honestly now how close will the gap get

 

That's the thread title and then the OP goes on to say;

"after the monster week from Ps3 the gap in hardware sales is at 5.7 million. A far cry from what it was a year ago. So ... how close will it actually get? Be realistic"

Does anyone think the PS3 - Wii gap is currently 5.7 million? No, just glancing at the front page or, say, not having lived under a boulder for three years would deflate that theory. Does anyone think the PS3 - Wii gap has shrunk this year as per the OP's statement? No, for the very same reasons as mentioned above. So what were you clarifying, exactly? I know its fun to remind people that the Wii has crushed its competition and all but the Wii's numbers are in no way relevant to the PS3 - 360 gap as far as I know. Just to clarify.



mhsillen said:
Mummelmann said:
mhsillen said:
Vetteman94 said:
mhsillen said:
I think the gap will be close to 50 million when all is said and done

Oh are we talking about the 360 and the PS3
Usually people are more interested in who finishes first

We are,  the Wii doesnt count.

 

(see I can troll too)

I'm not trolling just clarifying

Actually I think the Wii in first is very interesting considering they went in a different direction and grabbed the lead over the overwhelming favorite and runner up

What exactly were you clarifying? The OP and thread title clearly shows that this is about PS3 - 360 gap (we all know that the PS3- Wii gap is greater than 5.7 million) and not PS3 - Wii gap. People aren't interesten in who's finishing first any more, that's a given, the fight for 2nd place is close and exciting to watch and is still a toss up. People love a thriller. And posting unrelated posts apparently.

the op said "honestly now how close will the gap get

 

 

The Wii is on Top and will stay on Top for the generation. There is nothing to argue about. What exactly do you want to discuss about the Gap of Wii and PS3 ? You think this gap can be closed ?

 

The Wii has not much competition sometimes the Wii sold a little less then both HD Consoles combined but most fo the time the WII stays ahead or is tied. We can talk about the Wii if the sales are getting bigger or smaller. But there is no point in comparing the PS3 or Xbox360 with the Wii. 

 

The first place this generation is boring. Most first places are boring there is nothing to argue about. I)f you want to talk about the Gap between PS3 and Wii you should open another thread but most people will probably say something like lolwut.

 



Wand and NATAL are gonna fail. #1 It's too late to try and implement that kind of stuff into the systems. Either you integrate it to all PS3 and 360 games (thus alienating people who don't want to play with motion controls) or split up how games are developed...and just piss off developers who have to make a regular version and a motion control version

#2 M$ and Sony are doing this only because the Wii is popular. But the people who buy Wiis are not the same people who buy 360s and PS3s. The people who buy Wiis want to play Wii Fit, Wii Music, Game Party, etc..for the most part (as evidenced by not only the sales of casual games, but the sheer amount that are on the Wii). They don't want FPSs and over the top action adventure games. Meaning if Sony and M$ want to capture that audience...well they're going to really piss of the "traditional gamer", which is the typical demographic that buys there systems

With that all being said...people need to stop saying that NATAL may be a game changer. Conversely, people who retort "you forgot about the Wand/GEM"....stop doing that as well. Unless you think people are going to spend $300 on a 360 or PS3, then spend however much it costs to get the damned peripheral.....THEN buy a game. Yea....I don't think the casual market pie that Sony and M$ want a piece will be too accepting of that



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I think if things keep going the way they are now, the PS3 will close the gap to around 3 - 3.5 million by October 2010.

Assuming Natal and Sony's wand is out by that time...who the hell knows?



Netyaroze said:

Nobody here assumes that Sony is doing financialy well. Everybody here knows that the financial situation of Sonys gaming devision is far from good.

But its a step in the right direction MS had never 1 million week not even 900k week. its an achievment and it shows that the race is far from decided. After holidays the gap should be the lowest gap between Xbox and PS3. 5.4 mio is possible and the year looks great for Sony unless natal is a huge success. The Gap can be closed. Pricecuts from MS could slow down the progress but everything depends on Natal.

i guess the next step for MS will be 249 for Elite or 299 Natal SKU and 149 for Arcade. But this will happen in fall 2010. until then Sony can close the gap by 1-2 Millions and then we still dont know if sony has not a Pricecut too and if natal will move really huge amounts of hardware.

MS is dedicated to shareholders. Sony is japanese company they have long term plans and quick profit is not necessary. MS is american Company which has a different philosophy maybe they just want to make a win this gen and dont care if Sony wins with 10 million as long as they gained the losses back which would increase share value. You cant know how MS is thinking they base their decisions on various arguments. Which are unknown to everyone. So its not a given that MS would make everything to win against sony. its better for them to focus on wins because the share holders would appreciate that a lot more then winning an imaginery console war with 5-8 Million consoles or less.

They could sell the Xbox at 99 Dollar without a problem they can afford it easily they wont do it because of their share value which would dro immensly Sony has not such a problem. I read an aricle that Sony has a way smaller pressure from share holders then MS. For MS are numbers the only important thing and they have seen with the GC that a low price can even damage the image.

Two things:

1. If Microsoft lost as much money on the 360 as Sony did on the PS3 they would have had a few million selling weeks.

2. Nintendo is a Japanese company and their long term plan was make money at the start and keep making money from then on. Do you know they made more in one year than Sony did with the PS1/2 combined.

 



Tease.

Squilliam said:
Netyaroze said:

Nobody here assumes that Sony is doing financialy well. Everybody here knows that the financial situation of Sonys gaming devision is far from good.

But its a step in the right direction MS had never 1 million week not even 900k week. its an achievment and it shows that the race is far from decided. After holidays the gap should be the lowest gap between Xbox and PS3. 5.4 mio is possible and the year looks great for Sony unless natal is a huge success. The Gap can be closed. Pricecuts from MS could slow down the progress but everything depends on Natal.

i guess the next step for MS will be 249 for Elite or 299 Natal SKU and 149 for Arcade. But this will happen in fall 2010. until then Sony can close the gap by 1-2 Millions and then we still dont know if sony has not a Pricecut too and if natal will move really huge amounts of hardware.

MS is dedicated to shareholders. Sony is japanese company they have long term plans and quick profit is not necessary. MS is american Company which has a different philosophy maybe they just want to make a win this gen and dont care if Sony wins with 10 million as long as they gained the losses back which would increase share value. You cant know how MS is thinking they base their decisions on various arguments. Which are unknown to everyone. So its not a given that MS would make everything to win against sony. its better for them to focus on wins because the share holders would appreciate that a lot more then winning an imaginery console war with 5-8 Million consoles or less.

They could sell the Xbox at 99 Dollar without a problem they can afford it easily they wont do it because of their share value which would dro immensly Sony has not such a problem. I read an aricle that Sony has a way smaller pressure from share holders then MS. For MS are numbers the only important thing and they have seen with the GC that a low price can even damage the image.

Two things:

1. If Microsoft lost as much money on the 360 as Sony did on the PS3 they would have had a few million selling weeks.

2. Nintendo is a Japanese company and their long term plan was make money at the start and keep making money from then on. Do you know they made more in one year than Sony did with the PS1/2 combined.

 

 

1. Ms lost as much money on Xbox and Xbox360 as Sony lost on the PS3. I wonder why Nintendo and Sony managed it from nowhere to the top without even spending 1/4th of the money MS did ? And ofcourse MS could have sold 1 Million consoles but they have not achieved it with a price of 299 or even 199 Dollar and thats the point it clearly shows that the Ps3 is not out of the race and the market for the PS3 is there. MS would have to counter heavily with money but I dont believe that they are willing to lose what they already have (black numbers).

 

2. Umm yes I knew that. What I wanted to say that even if MS has the money they wont cut the price as much as they could because they want to profit finally. Because some people use the money from MS as an arguement but infact MS cant spend as much as they want because the share holders wont accept that in the end they loose the money because share value is decreasing after a bad quarter so even if MS has the money they wont act as morons and make extreme pricecuts. They will moderatly decrease the price just like Sony will do it from time to time so infact there is not much left except natal. Forcing natal in the market will cost them some money aswell. So maybe they wont even cut the price but give away natal for free with every Xbox. Nintendo drove another strategy from the beginning. MS pretty much has the same strategy like Sony. MS has more money but Sony has not as much pressure from the share holders. I read this article why Sony has such a special position but i forgot the content already.

 

 

 

 



Severance said:
i'll predict that by the time 2012 comes , Xbox will be at 0 at best Ps3 will be over 9000!
and Wii will divide by zero which will result in a nuclear explosion


You mean to say that Wii will tend to infinity!? This could tear up Space-Time!!!!!!!!!



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