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shio on 18 December 2009
DirtyP2002 said:
shio said:
DirtyP2002 said:
coolbeans said:
aragod said:
coolbeans said:
@shio
Is the Witcher: Enhanced Edition the normal version or something, if so then yes I've found it but these mags from european based sites have anything from "Bronze Award" s to "Game of the Year" that was hard to sort through but, not to be too harsh, if you're counting second-rate gaming sites that hardly anyone has ever heard of then yes The Witcher possibly did receive more awards then Mass Effect. There again, pretty much all of Mass Effect awards were limited to bigger american mags and sites with a few big european sites as well then shifting to metacritic scores (91%) and I saw The Witcher's average is 82%.

While I agree with your oppinion about which game is better (I'm too fan of BioWare and Mass Effect series), bashing non american gaming sites for the fact that you can't understand them / know nothing about them, doesn't make them 2nd rate. They might have more readers than your mag of choice and better, unbiased reviewers, which are not getting payed for scores.

We have 2 big gaming magazines over here, which both hand out realy harsh reviews (you thought EDGE were though...) and hold high standarts. I'd take their score over anything from the web anyday, since they are critical, when it's due.

Don't take this the wrong way but please enlighten me on which of these magazine/ gaming sites are not second-rate or just known to a very very small group of people: http://www.thewitcher.com/community/en/awards/3/.  I'm not trying to detract anything from this game.  I'm only trying to dive into what shio said and whether it's true or not.  The first two pages seem to start with the most prestigous and recognizable sites/mags but from there on you just have awards given by sites that don't even make it to metacritic ratings so those are basically all user choices' in a sense.  Mass Effect's official site only tracks from sites that are listed on metacritic/gamerankings and a few other like the New York Times and such.  If Bioware wanted to burn some man-hours, they could dive into sites like the Witcher has posted and see what they won back in 2007 as well with a much bigger list of awards.


true story.

And of course this little title Halo 3 took quite some awards as well. A competition the PC RPGs did not have to deal with. Of course Mass Effect saw better reviews as well. Metacritic:

--> The Witcher (Windows): 81

--> Mass Effect (Xbox 360): 91
--> Mass Effect (Windows): 89

But we are arguing with shio. He still claims CoD Modern Warfare sold 10 million copies.

The PC version of Mass Effect also was around 90 I believe, yet it won almost no awards. One thing that is true is that The Witcher won overall more awards than Mass Effect, regardless of the quality of those who give them.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Effect#Awards

Awards from:

  • IGN
  • Gamespot
  • Gametrailers
  • Spike TV
  • Ny Times
  • Game Critics Award

and many many more. That is more than none. Actually it is the best you can get.

The only reputable one from those is the GCA. The rest is 99% certain to be whores of the publishers. And NY Times isn't really much about videogaming.



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Scoobes on 18 December 2009
DirtyP2002 said:
shio said:
DirtyP2002 said:
coolbeans said:
aragod said:
coolbeans said:
@shio
Is the Witcher: Enhanced Edition the normal version or something, if so then yes I've found it but these mags from european based sites have anything from "Bronze Award" s to "Game of the Year" that was hard to sort through but, not to be too harsh, if you're counting second-rate gaming sites that hardly anyone has ever heard of then yes The Witcher possibly did receive more awards then Mass Effect. There again, pretty much all of Mass Effect awards were limited to bigger american mags and sites with a few big european sites as well then shifting to metacritic scores (91%) and I saw The Witcher's average is 82%.

While I agree with your oppinion about which game is better (I'm too fan of BioWare and Mass Effect series), bashing non american gaming sites for the fact that you can't understand them / know nothing about them, doesn't make them 2nd rate. They might have more readers than your mag of choice and better, unbiased reviewers, which are not getting payed for scores.

We have 2 big gaming magazines over here, which both hand out realy harsh reviews (you thought EDGE were though...) and hold high standarts. I'd take their score over anything from the web anyday, since they are critical, when it's due.

Don't take this the wrong way but please enlighten me on which of these magazine/ gaming sites are not second-rate or just known to a very very small group of people: http://www.thewitcher.com/community/en/awards/3/.  I'm not trying to detract anything from this game.  I'm only trying to dive into what shio said and whether it's true or not.  The first two pages seem to start with the most prestigous and recognizable sites/mags but from there on you just have awards given by sites that don't even make it to metacritic ratings so those are basically all user choices' in a sense.  Mass Effect's official site only tracks from sites that are listed on metacritic/gamerankings and a few other like the New York Times and such.  If Bioware wanted to burn some man-hours, they could dive into sites like the Witcher has posted and see what they won back in 2007 as well with a much bigger list of awards.


true story.

And of course this little title Halo 3 took quite some awards as well. A competition the PC RPGs did not have to deal with. Of course Mass Effect saw better reviews as well. Metacritic:

--> The Witcher (Windows): 81

--> Mass Effect (Xbox 360): 91
--> Mass Effect (Windows): 89

But we are arguing with shio. He still claims CoD Modern Warfare sold 10 million copies.

The PC version of Mass Effect also was around 90 I believe, yet it won almost no awards. One thing that is true is that The Witcher won overall more awards than Mass Effect, regardless of the quality of those who give them.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Effect#Awards

Awards from:

  • IGN
  • Gamespot
  • Gametrailers
  • Spike TV
  • Ny Times
  • Game Critics Award

and many many more. That is more than none. Actually it is the best you can get.

I think he specifically meant the PC version won almost no awards. At least that's what I got from it.




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themanwithnoname on 18 December 2009

Why would a PC version of a game released a year earlier on a console be expected to win lots of awards?



themanwithnoname's law: As an America's sales or NPD thread grows longer, the probabilty of the comment "America = World" [sarcasticly] being made approaches 1.

shio on 18 December 2009
themanwithnoname said:
Why would a PC version of a game released a year earlier on a console be expected to win lots of awards?

Because the PC version is far better than the console version.

Either way, I was talking about Mass Effect X360 vs The Witcher, not the PC version.



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Catlana on 18 December 2009

First, Mass Effect 2 is a day one buy for me. The first Mass Effect was a masterful science fiction rpg. Most science fiction rpgs have been far from perfect to put it mildly.

Second, major competition for ME2 as far as rpgs goes will not come until FFXIII. Even then, the majority of FF fans and Bioware fans actually tend to be in different groups. Fallout New Vegas is expected in June. Fallout is really the next big name WRPG after ME2.

Diablo 3 will not be out until after 2010 according to Activision's conference. While I am really looking forward to Diablo 3, the game appears to be a low priority compared to the money making monster that is World of Warcraft.



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Strategyking92 on 18 December 2009
shio said:
themanwithnoname said:
Why would a PC version of a game released a year earlier on a console be expected to win lots of awards?

Because the PC version is far better than the console version.

Either way, I was talking about Mass Effect X360 vs The Witcher, not the PC version.

 



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Mummelmann on 18 December 2009

If the PC version of Mass Effect is better than the 360 version (I'm not saying it is, I haven't even see the 360 version) then I don't understand how it could get that many awards at all.
The whole game and concept shows that its mainly built around consoles and that lends me to believe that the 360 version might actually work better (and it should), especially since it was the lead platform for development.



Scoobes on 18 December 2009
Mummelmann said:
If the PC version of Mass Effect is better than the 360 version (I'm not saying it is, I haven't even see the 360 version) then I don't understand how it could get that many awards at all.
The whole game and concept shows that its mainly built around consoles and that lends me to believe that the 360 version might actually work better (and it should), especially since it was the lead platform for development.

Less bugs and graphical glitches (although still not perfect), better and faster aiming with the mouse. Also, the interface actually worked really well when you have access to a mouse. And of course, better graphics. Overall, the game worked really well on PC.

Remember, they released the PC version slightly after the 360 version, so they had time to iron out the bugs.




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huaxiong90 on 18 December 2009

This game doesn't have any competition at all. MAG is not a competitor.



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huaxiong90 on 18 December 2009
CGI-Quality said:
huaxiong90 said:
This game doesn't have any competition at all. MAG is not a competitor.

Likewise for MAG. They're two completely different genres on two different systems.

Precisely my point.



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