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Also additionally I believe the "World of Goo" guy said something like research showed him for every 250,000 pirates they stop, it results in 1 extra sale... or numbers close to that.

So yeah... 1 out of every 250,000 pirates... for a game that is cheaper then a full priced title.



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AdventWolf said:
But you seem to have full confidence that only a very small majority pirate not from choice but from the whim of it. We just have to agree to disagree, it's sad really, that you believe the majority of pirates are good honest people. I am a member of a psp homebrew forum and I have seen thousands of people just coming in to hack to play pirated psp games. I guess they just bought a PSP for the hell of it and to not buy any games? I guess they only had enough money to buy a PSP so they have no choice but to pirate. I mean if they don't intend to buy games anyway then why buy the system? Because they are greedy and don't want to pay for the games. It's a very simple concept and instead of trying to belittle others try to actually realize that a large majority of pirates choose to pirate because they can and not because they have to.

Actually the fact that the US has the least rate of piracy, along with many other modern countries, while the 3rd world ones have the largest rates, shows that people with money pirate less. Just as Kasz said.



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Kasz216 said:
Also why do people who only pirate PSP games buy PSPs?

Would you buy a PS3 if the games cost 200 dollars?

Clearly not, right? Because you'd never buy a game at 200 dollars. You could afford it, however you wouldn't think any game was worth 200 dollars.

Well in my case I was just fully aware that I could pirate the games so why not? I have considered paying for the games but for me it's not because they are too expensive but because I'm paying for example for a PS3 game about 250 dollares when it should be 50 or 60 at most. What bothers me is that the other 4/5 is going to the reseller and the black market dollares dealer. I find that absurd as I'm not willing to support those practices. However, in the future I will buy them if I move to another country. By that logic, I'm a potential buyer.



 

vlad321 said:
AdventWolf said:
But you seem to have full confidence that only a very small majority pirate not from choice but from the whim of it. We just have to agree to disagree, it's sad really, that you believe the majority of pirates are good honest people. I am a member of a psp homebrew forum and I have seen thousands of people just coming in to hack to play pirated psp games. I guess they just bought a PSP for the hell of it and to not buy any games? I guess they only had enough money to buy a PSP so they have no choice but to pirate. I mean if they don't intend to buy games anyway then why buy the system? Because they are greedy and don't want to pay for the games. It's a very simple concept and instead of trying to belittle others try to actually realize that a large majority of pirates choose to pirate because they can and not because they have to.

Actually the fact that the US has the least rate of piracy, along with many other modern countries, while the 3rd world ones have the largest rates, shows that people with money pirate less. Just as Kasz said.

That's absolutely right. If people can buy something that they like they will. I think the fact that you get something "officially" makes it more worth it in the long run. That's good for the conscience and peace of mind of at least honest people. But when you can't, well, you can't. When I videogame is worth half your monthly pay, something is wrong.



 

Kirameo - You don't have $20 for 30+ good PSP titles?

Kas - No, because $200 is too expensive, $20 is not.
World of Goo isn't major target of piracy in my mind.

Vlad - So, if you have less money then it's ok to pirate. Got ya.

Guys I understand that some people pirate because they may not have the money, but that doesn't make it right. If someone would walk up to me and say they pirate I would say "OK".
Now if they said it is justified because they "wouldn't buy it anyway" then that is another story.
I know tons of people that pirate because they simply can, if it wasn't possible then they would have bought the games. The PSP would have much greater software sales if piracy wasn't so bad on it. It is a prime example. Sure, it would not have as many hardware sales but there would be much bigger software sales. There are many many affordable PSP games at $20 a pop. If they can afford a $170 PSP then I don't see why they can't afford a $20 game.

Imo it's just because they can.



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AdventWolf said:
Kirameo - You don't have $20 for 30+ good PSP titles?

Kas - No, because $200 is too expensive, $20 is not.
World of Goo isn't major target of piracy in my mind.

Vlad - So, if you have less money then it's ok to pirate. Got ya.

Guys I understand that some people pirate because they may not have the money, but that doesn't make it right. If someone would walk up to me and say they pirate I would say "OK".
Now if they said it is justified because they "wouldn't buy it anyway" then that is another story.
I know tons of people that pirate because they simply can, if it wasn't possible then they would have bought the games. The PSP would have much greater software sales if piracy wasn't so bad on it. It is a prime example. Sure, it would not have as many hardware sales but there would be much bigger software sales. There are many many affordable PSP games at $20 a pop. If they can afford a $170 PSP then I don't see why they can't afford a $20 game.

Imo it's just because they can.

A good psp title here is around 100$

Min. wage here is 455$ per month.

Do the math.



 

^So judging by that, if you buy a PSP (lets say 4 new psp games worth, just an estimate)
You spend almost a whole months pay on a PSP?



AdventWolf said:
Kirameo - You don't have $20 for 30+ good PSP titles?

Kas - No, because $200 is too expensive, $20 is not.
World of Goo isn't major target of piracy in my mind.

Vlad - So, if you have less money then it's ok to pirate. Got ya.

Guys I understand that some people pirate because they may not have the money, but that doesn't make it right. If someone would walk up to me and say they pirate I would say "OK".
Now if they said it is justified because they "wouldn't buy it anyway" then that is another story.
I know tons of people that pirate because they simply can, if it wasn't possible then they would have bought the games. The PSP would have much greater software sales if piracy wasn't so bad on it. It is a prime example. Sure, it would not have as many hardware sales but there would be much bigger software sales. There are many many affordable PSP games at $20 a pop. If they can afford a $170 PSP then I don't see why they can't afford a $20 game.

Imo it's just because they can.

That's actually what makes the story mean more Wolf.  At 20 dollars, world of Goo can't get much cheaper.

Which means that the number of people who pirate it soley because they are cheap is HIGHER.

 

Not having money =/= not buying it anwyay in most cases.  As in the $200 dollar post above.  It's a basic "What is it worth to you" system.


It's not that people can't afford a $20 PSP game.  It's that a PSP is not worth 20 dollars to said person.

Why people buy a PSP who only pirate... is because they can pirate.  Just how you wouldn't buy a PS3 if the games were $200.

If piracy didn't exist... these people STILL wouldn't buy PSP games.  All that would happen is... they would also never buy PSPs.

 

Just how you would never buy a PS3 if the games were $200.  Value is relative.



But if someone can manage to save up for a PSP in lets say 6 months, then that means they might be possibly able to buy 4 PSP games within the next 6 months. It is not impossible, they are just impatient and choose to pirate. It may take longer than someone with more money but that is simply how the world works. I buy not even 8 games a year. I have bought probably 5 games this year. So that pirate has the ability to buy more games than than I buy in a year. To me 5 games is enough, because I still go back and play good games that I have bought years previous.

Is 8 games a year not enough for a pirate?



AdventWolf said:
But if someone can manage to save up for a PSP in lets say 6 months, then that means they might be possibly able to buy 4 PSP games within the next 6 months. It is not impossible, they are just impatient and choose to pirate. It may take longer than someone with more money but that is simply how the world works. I buy not even 8 games a year. I have bought probably 5 games this year. So that pirate has the ability to buy more games than than I buy in a year. To me 5 games is enough, because I still go back and play good games that I have bought years previous.

Is 8 games a year not enough for a pirate?

You still fail to grasp the very basic premise... that is... very basic.

Once again.  You would never purchase a game at $200 correct?


You would not "save up" and be patient and buy games for $200 dollars... correct?

 

So, why in gods name would you expect someone else to save up to purchase something they think is too expesnive for the cost?

 

The point is... to most people who pirate.  The price of a PSP game is the equivlent of a 200 dollar PS3 game to you, or whatever said barrier from buying a system would be.

 

If you ask 100 people what they think a fair price is for something, the prices they give will vary widely.