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Reasonable said:
On a different note, whatever happened to leaning in FPS? I want leaning back and I want it back now.

I think that would really depend on the game.



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averyblund said:

Auto-aim is pretty much an admission by the dev that the controls aren't good enough without it. So what systems have auto-aim?

 

That said I always prefer fighters and platformers as well as most sports titles on consoles. Also any social or party game (duh). Oh an lets not forget railshooter where the Wii owns all.

 

But for FPS it is hilariously delusional not to see what even the developers themselves know.

For the record, it is entirely possible for someone to think the complete opposite thing that you think and not be stupid. Just FYI.



To put this utter fail to rest:

EVERY console FPS game has auto-aim. EVERY. FUCKING. ONE. You know why? To make up for the shit that the analog sticks are for control. PC games haven't had online auto-aim since the days of DOOM 2, and that was just so you can shoot vertically, still had to aim horizonally for yourself.

 

I rest my case, vicotriously.

 

P.S. Does UT3 really allow for cross platform gaming? It might be worth re-installing just to fuck with the poor analog users if it is.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

Raistline said:

I wonder if this phenomenon of people leaning towards controllers VS KB+M has anything to with age or with what systems got them into gaming.

My age range is 25-30, I started my gaming career on Atari/NES/Sega Master system/PC (dos/win3.1) all at the same time, just not simultaneous.

 

Anyone else mind divulging?

Your probably right. I grew up on PS1 and was never much of a computer gamer besides the Sims and RCT. And I got into FPS games mostly this gen but to some degree last gen with the PS2.



vlad321 said:

To put this utter fail to rest:

EVERY console FPS game has auto-aim. EVERY. FUCKING. ONE. You know why? To make up for the shit that the analog sticks are for control. PC games haven't had online auto-aim since the days of DOOM 2, and that was just so you can shoot vertically, still had to aim horizonally for yourself.

That doesn't mean anything besides aiming is easier with a mouse (which I admitted was a good thing). It doesn't prove KB+M is better then a controller.

Oh and I bet you suck at console FPS because your so reliant on the mouse for aiming.



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coolestguyever said:
vlad321 said:

To put this utter fail to rest:

EVERY console FPS game has auto-aim. EVERY. FUCKING. ONE. You know why? To make up for the shit that the analog sticks are for control. PC games haven't had online auto-aim since the days of DOOM 2, and that was just so you can shoot vertically, still had to aim horizonally for yourself.

That doesn't mean anything besides aiming is easier with a mouse (which I admitted was a good thing). It doesn't prove KB+M is better then a controller.

Oh and I bet you suck at console FPS because your so reliant on the mouse for aiming.

Easier = better. Always.

 

It's like "oh goody, let me break both my legs so I can compete in the special olympics." I'd suck at those special olympics too, I admit it.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

vlad321 said:

To put this utter fail to rest:

EVERY console FPS game has auto-aim. EVERY. FUCKING. ONE. You know why? To make up for the shit that the analog sticks are for control. PC games haven't had online auto-aim since the days of DOOM 2, and that was just so you can shoot vertically, still had to aim horizonally for yourself.

 

I rest my case, vicotriously.

 

P.S. Does UT3 really allow for cross platform gaming? It might be worth re-installing just to fuck with the poor analog users if it is.

I can actually can control an FPS game quite easily with DA.  Not once does it affect my enjoyment of the game.  You are correct though that M&K are faster and more accurate, but exactly how does that matter?  Other than affecting game design? 

In what portion of the FPS design paradigm does the DA create an issue? 

Does it make skill matter less?  Nope, there are professional console FPS gamers that would wipe the floor with your ass beyond any fucking doubt.  The ranking systems on certain console games show a large assortment of skill sets.  So that can't be it. 

Does it make the games less enjoyable?  Hmm...I play both pc and console fps games and I seem to enjoy both a hell of a lot.  So that can't be it. 

Does it prohibit the gamer from the basics of the FPS genre?  Shoot people, flick switches, jump around, drive vehicles.  Nope, they can all be done.  Sure one cannot macro a key to switch a weapon and use the alternate fire in one click, but is that really necessary for fun?  My favorite FPS game of all time, Tribes, could easily be played with DA.

I disagree with this whole "which one is better" argument.  IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER.



KB+M>Wiimote>>>>>DA



Things that need to die in 2016: Defeatist attitudes of Nintendo fans

If I'm playing an FPS and I hear something about 150 degrees from the direction I'm looking, I'd like to be looking there as soon as possible so my reactions are put to the test rather than the speed of my turning.



Raistline said:

So at a family re-union this weekend I got into a debate with a hardcore X-box phreak about Console FPS VS. PC FPS.

It kind of went like this..

Family member: "Consoles are way better for FPS, they are more challenging. Using a Keyboard and mouse is like cheating. Anyone can move a mouse around to point at someone and kill them. The controller is way better"

Me: "Are you kidding me, FPS belongs on the PC. How is it like cheating because you are more accurate. Since you are more accurate so is everyone else who is skilled and it makes the skill level variance larger."

It basically went back and forth like this with my points and counterpoints and so on.

*edit: took out Halo comment*

I, as a huge PC gamer do believe the KB+M is the superior format for FPS for many reasons. I will be happy to give you all the reasons if you just ask. So here I am. That little debate I had got me wondering what other people think on the issue.

So, what do you guys think. Is the KB+M the superior format for FPS games? If so, I would like to hear your reason. If you think a console controller is somehow better, I would like to hear those arguments as well. Let's try to keep this civil and without trolling. Also let's keep the subject on FPS games only. I know that there are many games to which KB+M is the worse choice.

The next time your family member goes driving, suggest that he drives with 3 flat tires, it is more challenging.  Using all four tires is like cheating.  After all, anyone can drive with 4 tires.

More seriously, just because you have a keyboard and mouse doesn't mean you instantly have perfect accuracy.  Everyone has the keyboard and mouse, and therefore everyone is on a level playing field.