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Avinash_Tyagi said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
Actually a lot of people were saying it would not sell better than galaxy, sure many said it would, those who knew more about it, but many were saying it wouldn't sell, wouldn't push consoles, and so forth, people were even saying it wouldn't beat either versions of MW2 in sales, so yeah


Okay... And I strike you as such a person? Believe me, 2D Zelda would not sell close to 3D Zelda in our world. Hell, just look at history. 2D Mario has always beat 3D Mario, the best-selling 3D Mario is at 11 million and like 4 different 2D Marios are above it in sales. 2D Zelda however got beat as soon as Ocarina of Time, the first 3D Zelda, launched.

Actually I said NSMB Wii would definetly beat MW2 combined sales and easily outsell Galaxy.

 

Actually OoT is the only 3D Zelda that may have beaten 2D Zelda and even that is iffy, considering VC and GBA sales of LttP and Zelda 1, but considering how much more expensive and time consuming it was to make OoT than LoZ 1, which do you think was more worth it in terms of cost and man hours?

 

 

Twilight Princess did too. And I don't care which was more worth it in terms of cost and man hours, but honestly? I don't think Zelda was dirt-cheap to make. It would be now, surely, but way back then it probably cost them a great deal. And fuck, this is irrelevant to begin with - You were insisting that a new 2D Zelda would sell more than a 3D Zelda would. Stop trying to change the definition of the argument.



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Majin-Tenshinhan said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
WereKitten said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

Big difference though, 3D  is much less profitable and much more time consuming, a 2D zelda would not be as time consuming, hence why you'd still keep it around, yes having multiple products is great, but when you can switch your multiple products to lower costs and time consumption, then why wouldn't you.

You missed the point, even glossing over the ridiculous statement that "3D is much less profitable".

Even if the latest 2D Mario goes to be more profitable than the latest 3D Mario, it might very well be that a 2D Mario game +a 3D Mario game brings more profit than two 2D Mario games. There's such thing as saturation of a sub-market, that's what offer differentiation is about.

Nope, you missed the point the problem with that is it took 3-4 years man time to make a 2D and 3D Mario, basically in that time you could make 3-4 2D games, so its not more profitable than making 2D, and who says they have to all be the same title?  You could make other games and net a greater profit without oversaturation

Diversity. Different products. Nintendo can't make the same games all the time and expect them to sell. There's a reason so many people go back and play OoT after all these years, it's because contrary to what some people claim, Twilight Princess and Ocarina of Time aren't the same things. They are different games that are both great in their own right. Even moreso when it comes to 2D and 3D. If Nintendo only had 2D Mario, 2D Zelda (If you still believe this would sell more than 3D Zelda you must seriously be high) and 2D Metroid, they would be releasing pretty much the same thing over and over and people. Don't get me wrong, 2D is great. But it is limited.

Nintendo have already accomplished most of the stuff you can do with 2D, which is probably one of the reasons NSMBWii has multiplayer. With 3D, there are still lots of stuff to explore. Nintendo care about sales in the long run. If they went with your fourth grade tactic they'd get great sales for maybe 3 years and then everything would go to hell. But Nintendo are businessmen. They make sure that people associate the name "Nintendo" with "Quality" no matter what game they see it on.

Same as an actor. Sure, Christian Bale could play Batman and only Batman, but then he would be typecast. Rather than going "Oh, Christian Bale, he's that guy who plays Batman", people rather go "Oh, Christian Bale, I love him, he's great in so many movies".

I honestly wish I would've gotten through to you with my first damn post because it is really unbelievably simple and I have no idea why you fail to grasp it.

I already addressed diversity, multiple 2D games of different titles is greater diversity than 1 3D game, and more profitable, maybe you should read before replying.

I already addressed 2D vs. 3D zelda sales, see my post on that.

If 2D is so limited, then why did 2D sell so well for 2 gens on consoles and longer on handhelds?

Yeah which is why Gameboy and DS went to hell, because they were so limited, oh wait.

 



 

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You know what? I'm done. You've already made up your mind and no amount of facts or logic will ever change it. Enjoy your delusions.



Would be interesting to see them do alternate 2D and 3D.



Majin-Tenshinhan said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
Actually a lot of people were saying it would not sell better than galaxy, sure many said it would, those who knew more about it, but many were saying it wouldn't sell, wouldn't push consoles, and so forth, people were even saying it wouldn't beat either versions of MW2 in sales, so yeah


Okay... And I strike you as such a person? Believe me, 2D Zelda would not sell close to 3D Zelda in our world. Hell, just look at history. 2D Mario has always beat 3D Mario, the best-selling 3D Mario is at 11 million and like 4 different 2D Marios are above it in sales. 2D Zelda however got beat as soon as Ocarina of Time, the first 3D Zelda, launched.

Actually I said NSMB Wii would definetly beat MW2 combined sales and easily outsell Galaxy.

 

Actually OoT is the only 3D Zelda that may have beaten 2D Zelda and even that is iffy, considering VC and GBA sales of LttP and Zelda 1, but considering how much more expensive and time consuming it was to make OoT than LoZ 1, which do you think was more worth it in terms of cost and man hours?

 

 

Twilight Princess did too. And I don't care which was more worth it in terms of cost and man hours, but honestly? I don't think Zelda was dirt-cheap to make. It would be now, surely, but way back then it probably cost them a great deal. And fuck, this is irrelevant to begin with - You were insisting that a new 2D Zelda would sell more than a 3D Zelda would. Stop trying to change the definition of the argument.

No it didn't, Zelda 1 sold more than TP, TP on Wii and GCN sold 6.94 million combined, which would be less than LoZ 1 sales on NES, GBA and VC combined.

So I didn't change the definition, only one 3D zelda OoT, has had any chance of beating 2D zelda, and none since, not really a shining example of 3D superiority, lol



 

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Majin-Tenshinhan said:
You know what? I'm done. You've already made up your mind and no amount of facts or logic will ever change it. Enjoy your delusions.

You've not shown any logic or facts, all you've said is diversity and make both, ignoring that 2D can be even more diverse, and cheaper and less time consuming, and it won't fail, as Gameboy and DS have proved, so what is your supporting argument, even your idea that 3D sells more is only based on one game, lol, a game that came out more than 10 years ago and whose 3D successors haven't been able to match.



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

You've still missed a critical point brought up by several people:

The saturation of a sub market. How do you address that issue?



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getsallad said:

You've still missed a critical point brought up by several people:

The saturation of a sub market. How do you address that issue?

So was the DS software saturated, was Game Boy software saturated, mostly 2D games, what about NES and SNES?



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Avinash_Tyagi said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
You know what? I'm done. You've already made up your mind and no amount of facts or logic will ever change it. Enjoy your delusions.

You've not shown any logic or facts, all you've said is diversity and make both, ignoring that 2D can be even more diverse, and cheaper and less time consuming, and it won't fail, as Gameboy and DS have proved, so what is your supporting argument, even your idea that 3D sells more is only based on one game, lol, a game that came out more than 10 years ago and whose 3D successors haven't been able to match.

money money money money profit profit profit profit

gosh, thank god devs don't think like you all the time, the industry wouldn't move forward!



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Oh Avinash, you make me laugh with your logic.



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