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LordMatrix said:
huaxiong90 said:
loves2splooge said:
huaxiong90 said:

Hence why I said "some". Aside from Lost Odyssey, all these JRPG's didn't do great sales numbers or critic scores. Not that I'm taking a jab at these games, but that's the truth of it. The Japanese aren't going to trust Xbox 360 JRPG exclusives anymore.

Third-party Xbox 360 jrpg exclusives, I can understand. But the first-party exclusives aren't going anywhere so there's absolutely zero risk in buying Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Infinite Undiscovery (owned by MS), etc. Also contrary to popular perception, the majority of Japanese third-party Xbox 360 exclusives stayed exclusive.

The problem is, these games don't have big names like Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo, MGS or Hot Shots Golf (big in Japan). The Japanese gamer may look at the Xbox 360 and think it has merit because of all the jrpgs, quirkly Japanese games (Idolmaster), visual novels, dating sims and shmups it has but if they are only going to choose one console, they are going to go with the console that has the name brands they are used to. It's as simple as that. To ask Japanese gamers to pay $300 more for an extra piece of hardware when they can invest that money in games for consoles they already have, not every gamer is going to be up for that. Especially when the home console market in Japan has shrunk so much.

At the end of the day, M$ succeeded in building a hardcore following in Japan that accounts for 8.5% of current gen hardware and 10.6% of current gen software. That is a big moral victory for the Xbox division. The Xbox 360 has a very strong niche appeal: a mix of western games with niche Japanese games. And the hardcore fanatics are crazy enough to buy timed exclusives first on the 360 because they can't wait.

The Last Remnant sold 180k in Japan even though it was already announced before release that TLR would later on be released to Windows and PS3 (at the time we didn't know the PS3 version would be cancelled). And considering that The Last Remnant was one of the top selling 360 games (sold a little less than ToV on 360), even though the Japanese expected the PC and PS3 versions to come out later, that shows that timed exclusivity actually works. Obviously ideally first-party exclusives are better but third-party timed exclusivity can win over a lot of hardcore Japanese gamers.

Also while the Tales and Star Ocean moneyhatting pissed off a lot of Tales and Star Ocean fans that went out and bought a 360 for just these games, I think this scenario also influenced some 360 buyers to give the more niche Japanese games (that have remained exclusive) and western games a try. Think about it. Say you already own a PS3 and now a 360 because you bought it for Tales and SO. Are you just going to sell off your 360 because Tales and SO jumped ship later on? You might as well make the most of your purchase and try the niche Japanese games and western games that have remained exclusive. You already paid for the console, might as well use it right?

Trust me, I know that, and I never implied all of them jumped ship. As for Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon, I wasn't including them in the whole 1 year timed exclusivity deals. I was just talking about their quality and sales, and neither one did great numbers in Japan than they normally would (meaning if it was on the PS3 instead, or even the Wii) or with critics, unfortunately... LO did much better than expected in the west, though.

 

As for the blue, I sure do hope you're right. I do feel the Japanese should be giving more console games a try, instead of limiting themselves to handhelds.

Are you implying that LO sucked and didnt deserve the good sales it received?

Nice, take my quote out of context.  Read the red part, and the red part only. Ok?



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dirkd2323 said:
They want quality, the PS3 is a well built quality machine, With the problems 360 has had with RROD its not. They don't want anything to do with it. From things i have read and people talked to this is the biggest reason why.

Ok....then why did the original Xbox fail again according to your logic? It was superior to the PS2 hardware wise and still bombed in Japan. Your logic=fail.



After looking at the numbers in more depth, I think Microsoft can see boosts next year in Japan with Halo Reach (combined with the exposure the series gets with the Halo anime, which is Japanese-produced), Alan Wake, Fable III and possibly Crackdown 2. Western games are more popular over in Japan than we give them credit for. CoD 4 selling 350k in Japan across Ps360 is like a Ps360 game selling 1.4m in NA and GTA4 selling 420k in Japan across Ps360 is like a Ps360 game selling 1.7m in NA. The home console market in Japan is 4X smaller than in North America. We have to keep that in mind when looking at Japanese vs. North American numbers. GTA4 is to Japan what SF4 is to North America if you take into account differences in home console market size. I`d say that`s pretty damn good. GTA4 is no. 11 the PS3 LTD in Japan and CoD4 is roughly tied at no. 19 on the PS3 LTD with Valkyria Chronicles.

Of course M$ should release more Japanese first-party games. But it sure would be nice for them if their western games move hardware. It`s much cheaper to market western games and their Halo anime (produced in Japan, not western-made) than to publish a new game from scratch so if the western games move hardware, that gives M$ more financial relief. They really badly need new first-party Japanese IPs in the pipeline though. Along with Blue Dragon 2 and Lost Odyssey 2. Infinite Undiscovery 2 probably wouldnt be worth the effort unless the series was well-received by Japanese gamers. Famitsu gave it 32 out of 40. Which is kinda low for a game that was bundled with 360s at launch and was supposed to live up to higher expectations.



perhaps is the lack of rpgs in the xbox or the vast variety of fps because in japan fps are not very popular.



B/c they see the Xbox as a MS gaijin POS. Loyalty to a native product is what is the motivation for strong Wii and PS3 support.



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arsenicazure said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
arsenicazure said:
 

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I basically just told you that the subprime crisis that was caused by the community reinvestment act enacted by Jimmy Carter. I don't need to research this any more, because i've already done it. The banks accepted the deal and overinflated the market. Americans have the highest per capita fuel consumption because our electric car market was destroyed by special interest oil companies. Our MPG should have average over 70/100 miles per electrical charge because the electric car patent was made in america and destroyed by the oil companies. As I said...our automobile industry was sabotaged, thus making American people look like slaves. China has made a deal with Venezuela and other parts of South America to take up a large quantities of oil that we were once getting. China has huge pollution problems as well. Wars in the middle east are not raising oil prices. It's making sure we have MORE oil to consume. The oil companies who take over inflated the prices beyond demand thus the reason for the huge drop in gasoline demand before Bush left office. America may be a great disturbance in the middle east.....but I think you should learn a little lesson. Warring in the middle east doesn't help America, but a few wealthy business interests who profit off of war and happen to by chummy with those in power (IE: Bush). 

I already know about things in my own backyard and your media is just as biased as ours. If you don't think you're anti-American you kinda are. You need to learn to blame the proper people instead of blaming the population whom are controlled by them. I blame your media for why you guys are mainly anti-American and I blame my media for feeding us bullshit about europe. As for consumption Europe has a higher population of people coupled with highly industrialized nation, therefore you need to take some responsibility with global warming as well. Secondly if I were you I would calm down, because if the American dollar were ever to fall the Euro goes with it.

Its called legislation. Dont let your oil companies kick you around and to blame china for taking oil is just ridiculous.EU has 3 times higher wind power generation than the US. Americans account for 5% of the world population yet consume more than China and India combined- who form around 50% of the world population.Wars in the middle east are ensuring that millions of people will never get the comfort and safety that you and I have. UK is reduced to nothing but america's poodle;sadly.. We all know that.

As I read your reply I get the distinct feeling you wanna feel victimised. China has a relatively poor population- dont they deserve to get the oil they need for development? War is not raising prices? are you serious? The US imposed heavy sanctions on Iraq and Iran- Oil for Food. Starve the people to get what you want.. all through the guise of the useless UN. The so called wars havent sorted anything.. we still have terrorists, we still have communists. Next time- try visiting a developing country and get an idea on how those people live their lives. Last I read, your federal reserve was tightly clutched by the bank of england. Not the other way around.

check the link for more info :

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/opinion/1563620/happy-thanksgiving-america

Cheers.


Legislation is created by those in power not by the people because people are morons and that is true everywhere in the world. In the US the people have more power than other countries but they are easily thwarted by money and political power just like any other country.

As for consumption, I do not see the problem. Americans can consume because they earned that right. Do chinese citizens deserve some of that prosperity? Perhaps but that is not the US's responsibility any more than it is mine to take care of you. It doesnt mean I want you to suffer, on the contrary I wish you the best but you need to be responsible for yourself. Chinese politicians and chinese heritage determined that the people are not worthy of prosperity and that is why they dont have the oil you speak of. No one forced the previous chinese/indian/south american/arab generation to produce 8 kids per family while living in poverty. The irresponsibility is now coming back to bite them because they diluted their country with unsustainable population. The pie is only so big, if you keep making smaller slices eventually they will starve. Are you saying that America should pay for other countries mistakes (not that America doesnt have flaws)?

War did indeed have an impact on oil prices however what the poster was saying is that it was a good thing for american oil companies. They liked it when oil skyrocketed and they all reported record profits because of it. Did americans vote for war and higher gas prices? The answer is no, the american majority was against the war. It was Bush I & II all on their own with their advisors that started the Iraq war. The afghan war was a response to 9-11 so it was justified.

Iran is another story. The president or Iran if playing russian roulett with his people lives. I wish them the best but if i were Iranian I would leave immediatly. My parents left Iraq as soon as they heard about the problems with America back in the 90's and as a result we are alive, healthy, relatively happy and here I am writing about my experiences to you. Oil for food in iran is again the choice of the politicians. They could spend their money on their people but they choose to make weapons and uranium which may or may not be in the best interest of their people depending on how they use it.

The useless UN was formed becuase the useless countries of the world refused to sit and talk with each other. It was not formed for the US but by the US for everyone else. The US does not need to join because again they are the world power and the UN is just a formality because their vote would outstrip everyone elses combined as long as they are the world power. Its just like the majority shareholder of a company. Even if everyone opposed them, their vote is the only 1 that counts because they have all the cash and power. The UN is however, very effective at bringing other countries together. It doesnt always work but it has strengthened some ties and worsened others but at least they are talking. Eventually the US will lose its status and it will be just like everyone else in the UN and a new world power will be above the law. This is how our current human society works until we find a way to elimate the idea of money and borders. We have a long way to go. We need to tackle the energy problem 1st.



Japanese developers came out early and tried to support both the XBOX and XBOX360. But on the whole, the majority of the games on the XBOX and XBOX360, as well as the advertising and lets face it, the target audience Microsoft was going for, was aimed at the 14-25 year old American Male gamer.

First Person Shooters, Sports games, Western RPGs, Action Brawlers.....none of this is a major draw for the Japanese gamer. Their major calling cards are games like Japanese RPGs, Tactical RTS, Anime based games, Adventure games, SHUMPS, Platformers, etc.

It was only with the development of the XBOX360, and Microsoft basically coaxing (IE subsidizing support) of many Japanese developers that any solid Japanese developers such as Namco, Konami, Mistwalker and SquareEnix even made games for the system. But even those games could barely break even their development costs, let alone generate interest in the Japanese market.

Long story short, a few Japanese developers making titles on a primarily American focused system won't get Japanese people interested. Not when they can have one of four heavily Japanese focused systems in their own country to choose from (five if you count PS2).



Six upcoming games you should look into:

 

  

@Kenryoku_Maxis

The Xbox 360 is pretty Japanese focused in Japan as well. The issue is that Japanese Xbox 360 games are generally more niche than the established IPs on both Sony and Nintendo systems. That niche appeal is immediately obvious when you look down the list. The Xbox 360 has positioned itself as a "hardcore otaku" (and yes I'm aware that otaku is a dirty label there. They look down on them) console over there. It's not for the mainstream gamer.

The Japanese-developed Xbox 360 exclusives (and I'm going in order of sales)
Star Ocean 4 (timed exclusivity)
Blue Dragon (first-party)
Ace Combat 6
Tales of Vesperia (timed exclusivity)
The Last Remnant (console exclusive. Also on PC)
Beautiful Katamari
Infinite Undiscovery (MS-owned IP)
Dead or Alive 4
Lost Odyssey (first-party)
The Idolm@ster
Eternal Sonata (timed exclusive)
Ridge Racer 6
The Idolm@ster: Live for You!
Mobile Suit Gundam: Operation: Troy
Dead or Alive Xtreme 2
Magna Carta II (well it is Korean-developed technically but has a jrpg style)
Deathsmiles
Dream C Club
Ninja Gaiden II (timed exclusive)
Ninety-Nine Nights
Chaos;Head Noah
Rumble Roses XX
Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom
Steins;Gate
Clannad (console exclusive)
Culdcept Saga

God I'm getting tired of listening all of these... You get the point already. And there's a bunch more shmups, visual novels, jrpgs, srpgs and whatever the hell else niche stuff I'm missing. lol.


I excluded Lost Planet (1 year timed exclusive) and Dead Rising because I think they were made by Capcom's American branches right?



loves2splooge said:
@Kenryoku_Maxis

The Xbox 360 is pretty Japanese focused in Japan as well. The issue is that Japanese Xbox 360 games are generally more niche than the established IPs on both Sony and Nintendo systems. That niche appeal is immediately obvious when you look down the list. The Xbox 360 has positioned itself as a "hardcore otaku" (and yes I'm aware that otaku is a dirty label there. They look down on them) console over there. It's not for the mainstream gamer.

The Japanese-developed Xbox 360 exclusives (and I'm going in order of sales)
Star Ocean 4 (timed exclusivity)
Blue Dragon (first-party)
Ace Combat 6
Tales of Vesperia (timed exclusivity)
The Last Remnant (console exclusive. Also on PC)
Beautiful Katamari
Infinite Undiscovery (MS-owned IP)
Dead or Alive 4
Lost Odyssey (first-party)
The Idolm@ster
Eternal Sonata (timed exclusive)
Ridge Racer 6
The Idolm@ster: Live for You!
Mobile Suit Gundam: Operation: Troy
Dead or Alive Xtreme 2
Magna Carta II (well it is Korean-developed technically but has a jrpg style)
Deathsmiles
Dream C Club
Ninja Gaiden II (timed exclusive)
Ninety-Nine Nights
Chaos;Head Noah
Rumble Roses XX
Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom
Steins;Gate
Clannad (console exclusive)
Culdcept Saga

God I'm getting tired of listening all of these... You get the point already. And there's a bunch more shmups, visual novels, jrpgs, srpgs and whatever the hell else niche stuff I'm missing. lol.


I excluded Lost Planet (1 year timed exclusive) and Dead Rising because I think they were made by Capcom's American branches right?

The point is, you might think that's a big list.  But the DS or PSP can produce a similar list of games in one MONTH than the XBOX360 has produced in its entire life cycle.  And the Wii can do similar in its peak months.  And the Japanese consumer base is more interested in the majority of the games on the DS, PSP and Wii (or for that matter, PS3 now) than those on the XBOX360.  With the exception of idolmaster and Team Ninja games, the majority of interest Japan has ever shown for games on the XBOX360 has been for one-shot games like Tales of Vesperia or Star Ocean 4.  And no one game can ever support a console.  Heck, as last gen showed us, not even solid support from a group of Japanese developers like Tecmo (Team Ninja), Sammy and Capcom can support the XBOX brand.



Six upcoming games you should look into:

 

  

Like I've said, the Xbox 360 doesn't have mainstream appeal over there. It appeals more to the hardcore. 360 owners buy more games for their consoles than other owners in Japan. Just look at the software to hardware attach rate below. And the sales aren't lopsided in the direction of western games either. The top 5 on the 360 are all Japanese games. The 360 base in Japan tends to enjoy a mix of both Japanese and western games looking at the sales.

http://www.vgchartz.com/jweekly.php

X360 5.17
DS 4.87
Wii 4.21
PS3 3.62
PSP 2.36 (I didn't know they pirated this thing in Japan too, I thought piracy was taboo over there)

And the software attach rate is growing because software sales are keeping pace while hardware sales are going towards a downward trend. More evidence that the core group of 1.2 million 360 gamers are continuing to buy lots of games. If the 360 didn't have hardcore niche appeal, do you really think the owners would continue buying the games?