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jarrod on 08 December 2009
huaxiong90 said:
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huaxiong90 said:
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jarrod said:
huaxiong90 said:

No Halo game has outsold GT3 yet.

No, but no GT game will sell what GT3 did again either.  Halo's on the rise, GT's on the downslope.  You people need to stop living in the past.

Actually, GT went up since the PS1 days. Then it went back with GT4. It could easily be a fluctuation. MGS 2 sold high, then it went down with MGS3, and then up again with MGS4. Wait till the game releases, then judge.

I think big series are always open to generational shift playing with sales, the "first next gen" rlease almost always does a little better (though GT5P may work against GT5's favor in this regard then).  GT2's actually the worst selling "main" game in the series though, it hasn't been continual rise since GT1 (which is different from Halo 1 -> 2 -> 3).

The MGS comparison doesn't exactly bode well for GT though, MGS4 barely outsold MGS3 and didn't come close to MGS2.  Using the same logic, wouldn't it be fair to say the same will hold true true for GT5?  

1. Look at GT4P's sales compared to 4.

 

2. MGS isn't as big as Gran Turismo. You're not taking the scale into account.

1. Trying to extrapolate GT5P/GT5 from GT4P/GT4 is inherently unfeasible for a litany of reasons.  Do I really need to go into it?

2. Bigger series tend to get more effected by userbase fluctuations, it's smaller series that tend to hold up better.  Again, look at Nintendo and how Mario Kart evolved sales wise from N64 to GC to Wii.  This works more in MGS' favor than GT's.

1. You said GT5P works against GT5's sales.

 

2. I don't see your point here. At all.

1. That was in reference to "first next gen" release.  GT3 was the first GT-anything to hit PS2, the same doesn't really hold for GT5.  I'm saying GT5P's sales are proportionately inflated thanks to being the "first GT-anything" on the console.

2. Userbase declines effect software, and they generally hit the top selling software hardest.  Mario Kart is a prime example of that.  MGS too honestly.  I expect it'll be the same story for GT.

1. I still don't see how that would work against GT5's sales. It seems like a spin to me.

 

2. Explain MGS3 to MGS4 then. And as for Nintendo games, it's a special case. It became a big seller since the Wii due to the strong legs Wii first party games have. PS game sales are usually divided to different audiences.

 

I'll have to continue this debate tomorrow. It's getting late, and I need to get some work done.

1. Okay, I'll try and break it down for you.  GT3's sales were partially inflated due to being the first "GT-anything" on the platform.  The same likely holds true for GT5P... that "next gen" sheen likely attracted more buyers than the release would normally garner.  This works against GT5 as it's not in the same situation as GT3 was... it won't be selling because it's the first release, even if it's the first "full" release.  It's also coming so much later in the comparable cycle, I think most comparisons with GT3 are a bit off anyway.

2. MGS4 barely outsold MGS3, but the point is MGS4 didn't even come close to MGS2.  Why is that exactly? (hint: userbase).  And Nintendo games had amazing legs before Wii, they've always had amazing legs really.  The upper limits are what's changed here, not the pattern of sales.



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NoCtiS_NoX on 08 December 2009
jarrod said:
Hus said:
jarrod said:
Hus said:

NGS wont keep any one buying 360s its not a real exclusive its not 1st party as in developed by MS. Uncharted God of War and Gran Turismo will keep people buying PS consoels as they are Sonys and no other platform but Sonys will see those games.

So Accept defeat or post a real list of 1st party exclusives and their slaes. Man up dude.

The Halo branded games will outsell all Uncharted/GOW/GT branded games combined this gen.  If you want to talk about HD exclusives that the mainstream actually cares about, the discussion begins and ends with Halo.

LOL whatever you are on, cut the shit down a bit.  Is it like clown day and you are just out to make me piss my pants from laughing. 

GT this gen will do what all the Halo branded games do.  If you truely are delusional enough to think HAlo is all that bigger then GT proves all your posts are just bias bs. 

 

 

But ok you have shown your true colors, don't bother replying.  Your are a waste of my time. 

Halo is bigger than GT now.  Wasn't last gen, but it definitely is now.  Honestly, I'm a little shocked you're taking so much issue with Microsoft's commercially stronger 1st party, it's pretty cut and dry.  And lol @ "true colors".

 

I admit, I was trolling with the Halo comment, but actually breaking it down, I might actually be right (lol).

Currently:

Halo 3 + ODST + Wars = 15.73m

Uncharted 1/2 + GT5P + GOW Collection = 8.18m

Upcoming:

Halo Reach (8m+)

GT5 (8m+)

GOW3 (2m+)

Continued significant sales for ODST, UC2 & GOWC (likely 1-2m more each).  Maybe for Halo 3 also even.

Cherry picking is cherry picking lol.



jarrod on 08 December 2009
GreyianStorm said:

jarrod said:

Halo is bigger than GT now.  Wasn't last gen, but it definitely is now.  Honestly, I'm a little shocked you're taking so much issue with Microsoft's commercially stronger 1st party, it's pretty cut and dry.  And lol @ "true colors".
Game Sales
Gran Turismo 10.85 million
Gran Turismo 2 9.37 million
Gran Turismo 3 14.89 million
Gran Turismo 4

10.83 million
Game Sales
Halo 6.43 million
Halo 2 8.43 million
Halo 3 10.45 million

Halo is bigger than GT on the basis that it finally managed to outsell the lowest selling full GT game to date?
If anything, the figures seem to indicate that GT5 will outsell GT, GT2 and GT4 (on the basis that GT3>GT1, GT4>GT2). You could even say the figures indicate GT5 will be the biggest selling GT game ever, though that is highly unlikely as it won't be so heavily bundled. GT is just as big as Halo though.

I doubt that GT5 will crush previous GT games, but to say that Halo is definitely bigger is just plain false.

Actually, the lowest selling GT hasn't cracked a million yet.  Momentum!



jarrod on 08 December 2009
NoCtiS_NoX said:
jarrod said:
Hus said:
jarrod said:
Hus said:

NGS wont keep any one buying 360s its not a real exclusive its not 1st party as in developed by MS. Uncharted God of War and Gran Turismo will keep people buying PS consoels as they are Sonys and no other platform but Sonys will see those games.

So Accept defeat or post a real list of 1st party exclusives and their slaes. Man up dude.

The Halo branded games will outsell all Uncharted/GOW/GT branded games combined this gen.  If you want to talk about HD exclusives that the mainstream actually cares about, the discussion begins and ends with Halo.

LOL whatever you are on, cut the shit down a bit.  Is it like clown day and you are just out to make me piss my pants from laughing. 

GT this gen will do what all the Halo branded games do.  If you truely are delusional enough to think HAlo is all that bigger then GT proves all your posts are just bias bs. 

 

 

But ok you have shown your true colors, don't bother replying.  Your are a waste of my time. 

Halo is bigger than GT now.  Wasn't last gen, but it definitely is now.  Honestly, I'm a little shocked you're taking so much issue with Microsoft's commercially stronger 1st party, it's pretty cut and dry.  And lol @ "true colors".

 

I admit, I was trolling with the Halo comment, but actually breaking it down, I might actually be right (lol).

Currently:

Halo 3 + ODST + Wars = 15.73m

Uncharted 1/2 + GT5P + GOW Collection = 8.18m

Upcoming:

Halo Reach (8m+)

GT5 (8m+)

GOW3 (2m+)

Continued significant sales for ODST, UC2 & GOWC (likely 1-2m more each).  Maybe for Halo 3 also even.

Cherry picking is cherry picking lol.

lol.  I'm not the one who picked those PS brands, you can thank Hus for the "cherry picking". <3



GreyianStorm on 08 December 2009
jarrod said:
GreyianStorm said:

jarrod said:

Halo is bigger than GT now.  Wasn't last gen, but it definitely is now.  Honestly, I'm a little shocked you're taking so much issue with Microsoft's commercially stronger 1st party, it's pretty cut and dry.  And lol @ "true colors".
Game Sales
Gran Turismo 10.85 million
Gran Turismo 2 9.37 million
Gran Turismo 3 14.89 million
Gran Turismo 4

10.83 million
Game Sales
Halo 6.43 million
Halo 2 8.43 million
Halo 3 10.45 million

Halo is bigger than GT on the basis that it finally managed to outsell the lowest selling full GT game to date?
If anything, the figures seem to indicate that GT5 will outsell GT, GT2 and GT4 (on the basis that GT3>GT1, GT4>GT2). You could even say the figures indicate GT5 will be the biggest selling GT game ever, though that is highly unlikely as it won't be so heavily bundled. GT is just as big as Halo though.

I doubt that GT5 will crush previous GT games, but to say that Halo is definitely bigger is just plain false.

Actually, the lowest selling GT hasn't cracked a million yet.  Momentum!

Way to ignore a significant word! Hardly anyone would regard GT PSP as a full GT game...the fact that it is on PSP should show that.

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jarrod on 08 December 2009
GreyianStorm said:
jarrod said:
GreyianStorm said:

jarrod said:

Halo is bigger than GT now.  Wasn't last gen, but it definitely is now.  Honestly, I'm a little shocked you're taking so much issue with Microsoft's commercially stronger 1st party, it's pretty cut and dry.  And lol @ "true colors".
Game Sales
Gran Turismo 10.85 million
Gran Turismo 2 9.37 million
Gran Turismo 3 14.89 million
Gran Turismo 4

10.83 million
Game Sales
Halo 6.43 million
Halo 2 8.43 million
Halo 3 10.45 million

Halo is bigger than GT on the basis that it finally managed to outsell the lowest selling full GT game to date?
If anything, the figures seem to indicate that GT5 will outsell GT, GT2 and GT4 (on the basis that GT3>GT1, GT4>GT2). You could even say the figures indicate GT5 will be the biggest selling GT game ever, though that is highly unlikely as it won't be so heavily bundled. GT is just as big as Halo though.

I doubt that GT5 will crush previous GT games, but to say that Halo is definitely bigger is just plain false.

Actually, the lowest selling GT hasn't cracked a million yet.  Momentum!

Way to ignore a significant word! Hardly anyone would regard GT PSP as a full GT game...the fact that it is on PSP should show that.

Halo ODST marks massive decline for Halo series, lowest selling Halo FPS ever!

Sony considers GT PSP a full GT game going by their product page (Prepare for the most authentic handheld racing experience as the best-selling Gran Turismo® series debuts on the PSP® system.).  But you're probably right, they're hardy anyone. :P

 



tuscaniman on 08 December 2009
huaxiong90 said:
jarrod said:
Hus said:
jarrod said:
Hus said:

NGS wont keep any one buying 360s its not a real exclusive its not 1st party as in developed by MS. Uncharted God of War and Gran Turismo will keep people buying PS consoels as they are Sonys and no other platform but Sonys will see those games.

So Accept defeat or post a real list of 1st party exclusives and their slaes. Man up dude.

The Halo branded games will outsell all Uncharted/GOW/GT branded games combined this gen.  If you want to talk about HD exclusives that the mainstream actually cares about, the discussion begins and ends with Halo.

LOL whatever you are on, cut the shit down a bit.  Is it like clown day and you are just out to make me piss my pants from laughing. 

GT this gen will do what all the Halo branded games do.  If you truely are delusional enough to think HAlo is all that bigger then GT proves all your posts are just bias bs. 

 

 

But ok you have shown your true colors, don't bother replying.  Your are a waste of my time. 

Halo is bigger than GT now.  Wasn't last gen, but it definitely is now.  Honestly, I'm a little shocked you're taking so much issue with Microsoft's commercially stronger 1st party, it's pretty cut and dry.  And lol @ "true colors".

 

I admit, I was trolling with the Halo comment, but actually breaking it down, I might actually be right (lol).

Currently:

Halo 3 + ODST + Wars = 15.73m

Uncharted 1/2 + GT5P + GOW Collection = 8.18m

Upcoming:

Halo Reach (8m+)

GT5 (8m+)

GOW3 (2m+)

Continued significant sales for ODST, UC2 & GOWC (likely 1-2m more each).  Maybe for Halo 3 also even.

No Halo game has outsold GT3 yet.

GT3 = 14.89 million copies sold   PS2= 139 million units shipped

Halo 3= 10+ million copies sold  Xbox 360= 34 million units shipped 

Doesn't need to sell more. The attach rate of Halo 3 obliterates GT3. Expect to see GT5 sell around 5-6 million copies. And thats being generous.



Avarice28 on 08 December 2009

I think that it will "not" stay tight for the first 6 months or so of the year 2010.  The first part of the year will be all PS3 due to the rather large stable of exclusive games that will be released in that time period.  The latter part of the year will see 360 making bundled promotion inroads to help stay competitive.  This may result in a price cut/promotion (arcade $ 150)during the natal period; this may or may not help them to keep pace (360).  Ultimately around Christmas the "second" price cut (arcade $100) will bring the 360 very close to what the PS3 will be selling at.  This is my hypothesis of next years console race.



makingmusic476 on 08 December 2009

The ps3 should outsell the 360 pretty steadily over the start of the year. Expect it to be similar to 2009, but reversed. We could see the ps3 beat the 360 by 50k a week. Gran Turismo in Europe and the combo of GT and God of War in NA will help that along.

That'll happen until Natal comes. Microsoft will probably start bundling Natal with all 360s (effectively a price cut, in a way), and do a heavy marketing push for the venture. What happens then I have no idea.



GreyianStorm on 08 December 2009
jarrod said:
GreyianStorm said:
jarrod said:
GreyianStorm said:

jarrod said:

Halo is bigger than GT now.  Wasn't last gen, but it definitely is now.  Honestly, I'm a little shocked you're taking so much issue with Microsoft's commercially stronger 1st party, it's pretty cut and dry.  And lol @ "true colors".
Game Sales
Gran Turismo 10.85 million
Gran Turismo 2 9.37 million
Gran Turismo 3 14.89 million
Gran Turismo 4

10.83 million
Game Sales
Halo 6.43 million
Halo 2 8.43 million
Halo 3 10.45 million

Halo is bigger than GT on the basis that it finally managed to outsell the lowest selling full GT game to date?
If anything, the figures seem to indicate that GT5 will outsell GT, GT2 and GT4 (on the basis that GT3>GT1, GT4>GT2). You could even say the figures indicate GT5 will be the biggest selling GT game ever, though that is highly unlikely as it won't be so heavily bundled. GT is just as big as Halo though.

I doubt that GT5 will crush previous GT games, but to say that Halo is definitely bigger is just plain false.

Actually, the lowest selling GT hasn't cracked a million yet.  Momentum!

Way to ignore a significant word! Hardly anyone would regard GT PSP as a full GT game...the fact that it is on PSP should show that.

Halo ODST marks massive decline for Halo series, lowest selling Halo FPS ever!

Sony considers GT PSP a full GT game going by their product page (Prepare for the most authentic handheld racing experience as the best-selling Gran Turismo® series debuts on the PSP® system.).  But you're probably right, they're hardy anyone. :P

 

Because Sony would say "this is a moneygrabbing game" if they released something like "Killzone 2: ODST". According to MS, ODST is a full game, so Halo is also in decline. In fact, it is in such decline, that MGS is bigger now (http://www.totalvideogames.com/Halo-3-ODST/news/Microsoft-Defends-Full-Price-Halo-ODST-14258.html)

 

Edit: Also, what the developers/publishers say means absolutely nothing. It's what the masses think. Clearly, they don't regard GT PSP as a full game, or it would have been comparable (at least) to GT5:P



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