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NKAJ on 08 December 2009

er..whiochevr one isnt on ps3



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Slimebeast on 08 December 2009
CGI-Quality said:
Slimebeast said:
CGI those are very reasonable arguments about genres of Uncharted and Heavu Rain and in my soul I agree with them, but u realize ur going against the majority consensus rite?

Majority consensus says Uncharted belongs in the action genre, and sub-genre would be action-adventure.
Majority says Heavy rain belongs in the adventure genre, and sub-genre would be adventure-thriller perhaps.

Uncharted 2 is an action-adventure, but I never argued that. The genre is still adventure in Uncharted 2's case though. In fact, the only reason I mentioned Uncharted 2 is because it's adventure game that I thoroughly enjoyed. Other than that, it has no real relevance to this discussion.

Now, most people I talk to about HEAVY RAIN think it's a horror game of some sort (or see it as a serial killer style game) so I'm not aware of this " majority consensus" you speak of in regard to that. Furthermore, I doubt when the average customer looks at the box, they say "wow, this looks like an adventure". Yes, it will have adventurous aspects, I've said this before, but it will not be an adventure game, relative to genre.

As different as Alan Wake and HEAVY RAIN are, they are still in the same genre, and are both sub-genres of that: Psychological Thriller (Horror Genre).

Yeah, Heavy Rain and Alan Wake both belong to the horror genre when it comes to thematic genre classification.

But when it oomes to genre classification from a gameplay mechanics perspectivce they're in different genres - Alan Wake is an action game and Heavy Rain would be what people see as 'adventure'.



Slimebeast on 08 December 2009
CGI-Quality said:
Slimebeast said:
CGI-Quality said:
Slimebeast said:
CGI those are very reasonable arguments about genres of Uncharted and Heavu Rain and in my soul I agree with them, but u realize ur going against the majority consensus rite?

Majority consensus says Uncharted belongs in the action genre, and sub-genre would be action-adventure.
Majority says Heavy rain belongs in the adventure genre, and sub-genre would be adventure-thriller perhaps.

Uncharted 2 is an action-adventure, but I never argued that. The genre is still adventure in Uncharted 2's case though. In fact, the only reason I mentioned Uncharted 2 is because it's adventure game that I thoroughly enjoyed. Other than that, it has no real relevance to this discussion.

Now, most people I talk to about HEAVY RAIN think it's a horror game of some sort (or see it as a serial killer style game) so I'm not aware of this " majority consensus" you speak of in regard to that. Furthermore, I doubt when the average customer looks at the box, they say "wow, this looks like an adventure". Yes, it will have adventurous aspects, I've said this before, but it will not be an adventure game, relative to genre.

As different as Alan Wake and HEAVY RAIN are, they are still in the same genre, and are both sub-genres of that: Psychological Thriller (Horror Genre).

Yeah, Heavy Rain and Alan Wake both belong to the horror genre when it comes to thematic genre classification.

But when it oomes to genre classification from a gameplay mechanics perspectivce they're in different genres - Alan Wake is an action game and Heavy Rain would be what people see as 'adventure'.

And we'll continue to disagree.

I haven't met a person yet, (in prerson that is) that knows what HEAVY RAIN is/about, that considers it an adventure game. Furthermore, people are comparing Alan Wake to another Horror game: SILENT HILL 2. Sure, both games (SH2, AW) have action and guns, so what? Does that make them action-shooters? No.

Bottomline, HEAVY RAIN = Psychological Thriller Alan Wake = Psychological Thriller

Both in the same genre (Horror) with different game play mechanics.

 

Yes we'll continue to disagree but you must agree though that there also exists, at least theoretically, genre classifications based on game play mechanics, yes?



Neoraf on 08 December 2009

Epic Mickey for sure.

Everybody knows Mickey Mouse in real life.
Nobody knows Heavy Rain in real life (except for geeks like us on the web).

That's how it works for sales figures in real life. Sad but true.



     

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Slimebeast on 08 December 2009
CGI-Quality said:
Slimebeast said:
CGI-Quality said:
Slimebeast said:
CGI-Quality said:
Slimebeast said:
CGI those are very reasonable arguments about genres of Uncharted and Heavu Rain and in my soul I agree with them, but u realize ur going against the majority consensus rite?

Majority consensus says Uncharted belongs in the action genre, and sub-genre would be action-adventure.
Majority says Heavy rain belongs in the adventure genre, and sub-genre would be adventure-thriller perhaps.

Uncharted 2 is an action-adventure, but I never argued that. The genre is still adventure in Uncharted 2's case though. In fact, the only reason I mentioned Uncharted 2 is because it's adventure game that I thoroughly enjoyed. Other than that, it has no real relevance to this discussion.

Now, most people I talk to about HEAVY RAIN think it's a horror game of some sort (or see it as a serial killer style game) so I'm not aware of this " majority consensus" you speak of in regard to that. Furthermore, I doubt when the average customer looks at the box, they say "wow, this looks like an adventure". Yes, it will have adventurous aspects, I've said this before, but it will not be an adventure game, relative to genre.

As different as Alan Wake and HEAVY RAIN are, they are still in the same genre, and are both sub-genres of that: Psychological Thriller (Horror Genre).

Yeah, Heavy Rain and Alan Wake both belong to the horror genre when it comes to thematic genre classification.

But when it oomes to genre classification from a gameplay mechanics perspectivce they're in different genres - Alan Wake is an action game and Heavy Rain would be what people see as 'adventure'.

And we'll continue to disagree.

I haven't met a person yet, (in prerson that is) that knows what HEAVY RAIN is/about, that considers it an adventure game. Furthermore, people are comparing Alan Wake to another Horror game: SILENT HILL 2. Sure, both games (SH2, AW) have action and guns, so what? Does that make them action-shooters? No.

Bottomline, HEAVY RAIN = Psychological Thriller Alan Wake = Psychological Thriller

Both in the same genre (Horror) with different game play mechanics.

 

Yes we'll continue to disagree but you must agree though that there also exists, at least theoretically, genre classifications based on game play mechanics, yes?

Perhaps. But this whole time, I was speaking about public perspective.

In the public eye, HEAVY RAIN will be seen as a serial killer/thriller experience, not an adventure game. That's all I'm getting at.

I suppose you are right. And I hope they do.



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Asmo on 08 December 2009

My vote goes to Epic Rain... wait, NO! I vote for Heavy Mickey.



Raido on 08 December 2009
kingofwale said:

Heavy Rain is not only a new IP, but a new genre.

lol, I guees you never played Indigo Prophecy...

 

Oh, and I also think Epic Mickey will sell more. But Heavy Rain is the only game that makes me wanna have a PS3... and the Uncharted Multiplayer!



forest-spirit on 08 December 2009
famousringo said:
forest-spirit said:

I don't see the point in comparing those two games really.

I think Epic Mickey will outsell Heavy Rain. Heavily. Maybe Epic Heavily. If it doesn't sell more than Heavy Rain I will go for a whole week dressed up as Colette. Acting as Colette.

You were going to do that, anyway, weren't you?

Busted :P

I just need an excuse.



jarrod on 08 December 2009

I think HR's going to bomb hard. If Sony hadn't picked it up (and by extension, their faithful fans started championing it sight unseen) no one would even be aware of it's existence. Game design seems too obtuse for the mainstream and too benign for the HDcore. I'm just not sure who this game is for, but I suspect it's audience would be more on PC than PS3.

Also, lol @ the "New Genre" crap. Is this Sony's Shenmue or something?



kingofwale on 08 December 2009
Raido said:
kingofwale said:

Heavy Rain is not only a new IP, but a new genre.

lol, I guees you never played Indigo Prophecy...

 

Oh, and I also think Epic Mickey will sell more. But Heavy Rain is the only game that makes me wanna have a PS3... and the Uncharted Multiplayer!

well, neither did the rest of the world for that matter. ;)



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