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Xoj on 06 December 2009
BoneyBoy said:
If you read through the older posts I was simply refuting the post that said sony is the "cutting edge of technology" when in all honesty they are not.

Going back to the blu-ray example, bribing movie studios helped them far more than the physical technology they had. In fact, HD DVD had HDi online connectivity compliance MANDATORY for every player ever made from the beginning. Meanwhile blu-ray had no such capabilities until years later.
(I never have owned HD DVD player)

Similarly, Sony's Betamax was superior to VHS but it lost the format war for various reasons not related to product quality.

PS2 was not a well built console at all (rampant disc read/drive errors) but it sold more than any console ever.
(I had and XBOX and ps2 but now I only own Wii)

It is clear that sony is no longer the company it once was with regard to being an industry leader. They are a follower with a diminishing brand name. If I were a Sony shareholder, I'd be very scared right now. In good years, the games unit has accounted for over 60% of Sony's operating profit. Those days appear to be long gone.

But you don't have to my word for it. The following analysts get paid to evaluate current/future performance of companies.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/technology/refile-update--sony-pushes-profit-margin-target/

http://www.gamestooge.com/2009/02/16/report-sony-in-major-trouble/

http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhomea.people.com.cn%2FGB%2F8807545.html&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&history_state0=

u k ow lens it's not exactly a manufacturer fault ? but rarther componets quality

like dead pixels on LCD, lens are prone to burn off and not work, it happens to every laser optical media.

from CD to blu ray. even the wii got problems with lens, the 360 have them.

rather thanthe  build quality ps2 didn't creak or fell into pieces in use.

and sony its a top engineering company, from spaced keyboard in vaios, xbrite glossy screens and cheap blu ray on notebooks, OLED screens, and gaming they are a step above almost all companies.

but samsung try to sell the same for cheaper, and sony doesn't make phones, sony ericsson it's not exactly part of sony and they are one of the top features and innovation in phones (sony ericsson satio its a beast). they are loosing marketshare due misteps and probably recession kicking in their premium phones like satio.

 



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OurGunzNeverTire on 06 December 2009
richardhutnik said:

Sony learned the wrong lessons from the PS2, and decided to have the PS3 follow it. They assumed that storage format + complicated processor = success. They then threw in the price being way off the hook, and though that "Playstation" name is what matter more than anything else.

Sony learning from what made the original Playstation system a success would help them a lot.

the ps2 is the most successful console of all time, that makes absolutely no since. From what i'm getting, sony isn't really profit driven



Bullet100000 on 06 December 2009

Its not not really the Cell in each PS3 that is causing $ony to loose money its that Blu Ray drive. If $ony would have decided to go with dvd such as M$ they wouldn't have been able to push forward their format. They would have been making a profit on each PS3 sold no doubt. It's not the cell that sets the PS3 apart from the 360 it is the Blu Ray drive.



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Icyedge on 06 December 2009
Bullet100000 said:
Its not not really the Cell in each PS3 that is causing $ony to loose money its that Blu Ray drive. If $ony would have decided to go with dvd such as M$ they wouldn't have been able to push forward their format. They would have been making a profit on each PS3 sold no doubt. It's not the cell that sets the PS3 apart from the 360 it is the Blu Ray drive.


What your saying makes sense considering that you can get a dvd player at 50$ while a blue-ray player is 200$. It was way worst before. The price of a blue-ray player was almost the PS3 price. The blue-ray player probably is around 1/3 the manufacturing cost. But the cell also place the PS3 apart from the 360 tho.



BoneyBoy on 06 December 2009

For those who disagreed with me, I challenge you to show me exactly where -$ony is on the "cutting edge of technology"

Please tell me because the analysts who get paid millions to evaluate companies can't see it.
They just lowered -$ony's credit rating
-$ony doesn't lead anything anymore.


But maybe it's just us.



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Icyedge on 06 December 2009
BoneyBoy said:

For those who disagreed with me, I challenge you to show me exactly where -$ony is on the "cutting edge of technology"

Please tell me because the analysts who get paid millions to evaluate companies can't see it.
They just lowered -$ony's credit rating
-$ony doesn't lead anything anymore.


But maybe it's just us.

Im gonna repeat myself, im not judgin if Sony is on the cutting edge of technology or not. But your argument has nothing to do with your conclusion. You could have the worst credit rating ever and the company with worst sale and still be on the cutting edge of technology. You need examples to prove that they are not on the cutting edge of technology, everything you bring up may be right but doesnt prove your point.

Edit: between you and me, you probably can find good examples of them not being cutting edge. But there are also example the way around like the fact that  they will be the first company to push 3D next year with all kinds of device. You cannot be cutting edge everywhere but they are in some things like blue-ray included in a game console 3 years ago.



BoneyBoy on 06 December 2009
Icyedge said:
BoneyBoy said:

For those who disagreed with me, I challenge you to show me exactly where -$ony is on the "cutting edge of technology"

Please tell me because the analysts who get paid millions to evaluate companies can't see it.
They just lowered -$ony's credit rating
-$ony doesn't lead anything anymore.


But maybe it's just us.

Im gonna repeat myself, im not judgin if Sony is on the cutting edge of technology or not. But your argument has nothing to do with your conclusion. You could have the worst credit rating ever and the company with worst sale and still be on the cutting edge of technology. You need examples to prove that they are not on the cutting edge of technology, everything you bring up may be right but doesnt prove your point.

Edit: between you and me, you probably can find good examples of them not being cutting edge. But there are also example the way around like the fact that  they will be the first company to push 3D next year with all kinds of device. You cannot be cutting edge everywhere but they are in some things like blue-ray included in a game console 3 years ago.

Well I agree sales do not equal quality which is why I already said Sony WAS on the "cutting edge of technology" with the WALKMAN and BETAMAX.  Even to some extent with AIBO.  But those days are long gone.

Blu-ray was not cutting edge.  It was simply a rich man's HDDVD with less features.

3-D could have potential and yes, they are leading somewhat.

Although, analysts aren't convinced it will succeed.

http://www.tgdaily.com/consumer-electronics-features/43853-analysis-sonys-3d-tv-gambit-likely-to-fail-



Icyedge on 06 December 2009
BoneyBoy said:
Icyedge said:
BoneyBoy said:

For those who disagreed with me, I challenge you to show me exactly where -$ony is on the "cutting edge of technology"

Please tell me because the analysts who get paid millions to evaluate companies can't see it.
They just lowered -$ony's credit rating
-$ony doesn't lead anything anymore.


But maybe it's just us.

Im gonna repeat myself, im not judgin if Sony is on the cutting edge of technology or not. But your argument has nothing to do with your conclusion. You could have the worst credit rating ever and the company with worst sale and still be on the cutting edge of technology. You need examples to prove that they are not on the cutting edge of technology, everything you bring up may be right but doesnt prove your point.

Edit: between you and me, you probably can find good examples of them not being cutting edge. But there are also example the way around like the fact that  they will be the first company to push 3D next year with all kinds of device. You cannot be cutting edge everywhere but they are in some things like blue-ray included in a game console 3 years ago.

Well I agree sales do not equal quality which is why I already said Sony WAS on the "cutting edge of technology" with the WALKMAN and BETAMAX.  Even to some extent with AIBO.  But those days are long gone.

Blu-ray was not cutting edge.  It was simply a rich man's HDDVD with less features.

3-D could have potential and yes, they are leading somewhat.

Although, analysts aren't convinced it will succeed.

http://www.tgdaily.com/consumer-electronics-features/43853-analysis-sonys-3d-tv-gambit-likely-to-fail-

 

You didnt get my point about blue-ray. I agree that blue-ray by itself was not cutting edge. But by including blue-ray into a game system was cutting edge. 3D may or may not work, in my case ill like for sure, because its been a couple of years already that I watch 3D movies at home on my CRT TV. But there is flicker because of the refresh rate of a CRT TV, 3D gaming and movies without flickers will be awesome. I will be a first day adopter ;).  In any case trying new technologies like that is being cutting edge. Its sure that they are not cutting edge on everything but they are not that bad either.



WarmachineX on 06 December 2009

they were cocky and now they are paying for it. Nintendo is back on top, (as it should be imo) and Xbox 360 is dominating the HD console market.





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Icyedge on 06 December 2009
WarmachineX said:
they were cocky and now they are paying for it. Nintendo is back on top, (as it should be imo) and Xbox 360 is dominating the HD console market.

dominating? selling less is dominating now. Or are you talking about the 1/6 difference in market share, thats dominating?!?! They were cocky because of one PR, the whole company was cocky because of one of their employe statements??? Should I say that whole america is dumb because of one statement like yours. And also what is the notions behind nintendo should be on top???

 

You know that if you dont like Sony and doesnt have any critics that reflect some intelligence you could just dont click on the sony forum.