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Dr.Grass said:
Icyedge said:
JerCotter7 said:
BoneyBoy said:
ultraslick said:
@OP
you asked and answered your own question.

Also, Sony typically tries to be at or close to the cutting edge of technology with all of their new products. It is what makes Sony the unique brand that it is.

HUH???!!!! Sony hasn't been on the cutting edge of ANY technology since Walkman.

In fact, Sony is an also-ran in almost every product division.

Samsung is a better innovator in phones and TVs

Apple is a better innovator in music players and phones

Toshiba and Acer are better innovators in laptops

The list goes on and on....sony is no longer a leader.  They have been reduced to a follower that releases more expensive products than its competition.

Blu-ray added no innovation - HD-DVD did the exact same thing blu-ray could for cheaper.

The only thing HD-DVD lacked was 600 million $$ dollars in bribe money to buy off Warner Bros and Fox

http://gizmodo.com/344680/the-real-reason-warner-went-blu+ray

 

 

Wow so much fail in one post.

Samsung phones I don't know about but their TV's and Bravia are pretty much identical. Also I hate samsung since everything I have ever bought from them has broken. 2 MP3 players broke within 3 months, and one 32" LCD tv broke about 11 months after I bought it and now when ever I have a HDMI cable connected to it the picture goes all blurry.

Apple, if you call a phone that can't send MMS messages or record videos to be a better phone I don't know what to say. Also iPods aren't the best mp3 players on the market. But not everyone knows that so they just buy iPods.

Toshiba, not even gonna comment on them. They always release the cheap junk laptops that you see for about €300 here in Ireland. Lot of people buy them but they don't really do much. Barely even run the software they are supposed too. My sister had to downgrade from vista to xp since the laptop was such a piece of crap.

Never used an acer laptop so I can't comment.

 

I sold Samsung appliances at my store for 2 years and decided to stop selling them because we had so much reparation in and out of waranty. It wasnt good for consumer nor for us. Samsung looks very appealing, lot of feature, great look, but it has the worst after sale service of all time. Can you imagine that your refrigerator is broken and they take 2 months to ship the compressor so it can be fix. 2 months without a fridge?!?! Well with samsung its all possible.


The public perception (at least where I am) is that Sony's products are #1. You find them in the rich people's homes, they look great, work fantastically, and never break.

Except for my launch PS2 (which was replaced quick quick), no Sony product that I know of has ever broken.

You can bring up Sony's financial standing and how the company has changed all you like, but in the end we both know that you'd rather have a Bravia in your home than anything else.

I'm not some pro-Sony spokesman, but I am someone who's sick of hearing one of the world's top companies being called shit just cause YOU have an Xbox and don't like the PS3. Grow up.

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Because sony is not like other companies that bring out a console then in 2-3 years bring out a whole new system and screw all those who bought the previous model with no game support. Sony knew the market has changed they looked at the ps3 as a 10 year investment, sometimes the first few years are hard but the next few for sony will turn tons of profit and be hugh for the Ps3 putting them back on top. Not saying they havent made mistakes but they will learn from them and be on top again. WATCH.



Ummm you guys need to do a little research instead of blindly following sony. Put down the kool-aid for a sec and wake up to reality.

#1 Sony doesn't even make their own LCDs. SAMSUNG makes sony's LCDs

Sony is getting DESTROYED in the LCD market. An amazing fall from grace.
Shockingly, upstart VIZIO is number 2 and Sony dropped from 2nd to 5th place in just 1 year.

http://www.twice.com/article/390155-iSuppli_Samsung_Retook_Q3_LCD_TV_Shipment_Lead.php

#2 Sony phones are plagued with failures and they only have 8% market share

http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-phones/news/2009/11/27/Aino-Becomes-2nd-Sony-Ericsson-Phone-to-Fail-In-a-Week/p1

http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=8309

Sony is losing market share and cutting jobs and they have lost money on phones for 2 straight years.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sony-ericssons-quarterly-profit-drops

#3 The original XBOX had superior graphics and it was WAY more reliable than the ps2.

#4 ACER is the SECOND BIGGEST computer maker in the world - SONY is not even in the top 5.

http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-features/44937-acer-beats-up-dell-in-pc-market-share

There you have it. Sony is on the "cutting edge" of absolutely nothing. They lag far behind their competitors in EVERY product line they have. And while sony is making billion dollar losses, microsoft and nintendo are making billion dollar profits.

Sometimes the truth hurts.



So it would last 20 years so they could skip a generation.



BoneyBoy said:
Ummm you guys need to do a little research instead of blindly following sony. Put down the kool-aid for a sec and wake up to reality.

#1 Sony doesn't even make their own LCDs. SAMSUNG makes sony's LCDs

Sony is getting DESTROYED in the LCD market. An amazing fall from grace.
Shockingly, upstart VIZIO is number 2 and Sony dropped from 2nd to 5th place in just 1 year.

Yes, Samsung does make Sony LCDs.. they manufacture them to be specific, which doesn't mean the Sony uses Samsung screens.

Additionally, Samsungs tvs are in fact worse than Sony tvs. A lot of them have features (software features) that cause errors and makes the tv perform badly or die.

Their tvs are not the same. The screen is just a small component of a tv and it's likely that Sony has copyright on their screens.

 

Everything else you mentioned was pretty accurate except that

a) everyone knows that sony erricson is dying and pretty much sucks as a business.

b) the xbox came out AFTER the ps2.

 

But yeah, Sony isn't at the forefront of tech. But the reason they are failing isn't because they don't have the #1 product, but because this economy doesn't allow room for people to splurge on brandname.



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BoneyBoy said:
Ummm you guys need to do a little research instead of blindly following sony. Put down the kool-aid for a sec and wake up to reality.

#1 Sony doesn't even make their own LCDs. SAMSUNG makes sony's LCDs

Sony is getting DESTROYED in the LCD market. An amazing fall from grace.
Shockingly, upstart VIZIO is number 2 and Sony dropped from 2nd to 5th place in just 1 year.

http://www.twice.com/article/390155-iSuppli_Samsung_Retook_Q3_LCD_TV_Shipment_Lead.php

#2 Sony phones are plagued with failures and they only have 8% market share

http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-phones/news/2009/11/27/Aino-Becomes-2nd-Sony-Ericsson-Phone-to-Fail-In-a-Week/p1

http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=8309

Sony is losing market share and cutting jobs and they have lost money on phones for 2 straight years.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sony-ericssons-quarterly-profit-drops

#3 The original XBOX had superior graphics and it was WAY more reliable than the ps2.

#4 ACER is the SECOND BIGGEST computer maker in the world - SONY is not even in the top 5.

http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-features/44937-acer-beats-up-dell-in-pc-market-share

There you have it. Sony is on the "cutting edge" of absolutely nothing. They lag far behind their competitors in EVERY product line they have. And while sony is making billion dollar losses, microsoft and nintendo are making billion dollar profits.

Sometimes the truth hurts.

i like the TV charts,so do panasonic and phillips sell in america,i guess they must do,

i wonder what the TV market share for europe is,like those charts,

i need a new fully 1080p Tv and have been looking at alot of them lately,but i am really not rich,so need to look hard right now LG seems to be winning the race of the brand names which i can afford,man they are so expensive these new TV's,

But on Sony,people say they are not at the cutting edge anymore,but they are also not the worst products either,it does show the power of brands and Sony made it to the top,basically and there is only one way to go when you get up there,

people like Sony,Panasonic,Phillips,Samsung,LG and Toshiba in the shops over here,are there any makers that are above or equal to this lot in europe



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BoneyBoy said:
Ummm you guys need to do a little research instead of blindly following sony. Put down the kool-aid for a sec and wake up to reality.

#1 Sony doesn't even make their own LCDs. SAMSUNG makes sony's LCDs

Sony is getting DESTROYED in the LCD market. An amazing fall from grace.
Shockingly, upstart VIZIO is number 2 and Sony dropped from 2nd to 5th place in just 1 year.

http://www.twice.com/article/390155-iSuppli_Samsung_Retook_Q3_LCD_TV_Shipment_Lead.php

#2 Sony phones are plagued with failures and they only have 8% market share

http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-phones/news/2009/11/27/Aino-Becomes-2nd-Sony-Ericsson-Phone-to-Fail-In-a-Week/p1

http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=8309

Sony is losing market share and cutting jobs and they have lost money on phones for 2 straight years.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sony-ericssons-quarterly-profit-drops

#3 The original XBOX had superior graphics and it was WAY more reliable than the ps2.

#4 ACER is the SECOND BIGGEST computer maker in the world - SONY is not even in the top 5.

http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-features/44937-acer-beats-up-dell-in-pc-market-share

There you have it. Sony is on the "cutting edge" of absolutely nothing. They lag far behind their competitors in EVERY product line they have. And while sony is making billion dollar losses, microsoft and nintendo are making billion dollar profits.

Sometimes the truth hurts.

Im not even going to respond that all the companies you mention Vizio, Acer specialize in those respective fields whereas sony is in all of them.....its not worth my time to have a logical argument or debate with you since youre on a clear mission and probably spent thousands on HD-DVD and are still bitter.

But as for the bolded. You must love the PS3 compared to the 360 this gen then what with the reliability compared to the 360 and Uncharted and Killzone the best looking console games of their genres. Take care.



BoneyBoy said:
Ummm you guys need to do a little research instead of blindly following sony. Put down the kool-aid for a sec and wake up to reality.

#1 Sony doesn't even make their own LCDs. SAMSUNG makes sony's LCDs

Sony is getting DESTROYED in the LCD market. An amazing fall from grace.
Shockingly, upstart VIZIO is number 2 and Sony dropped from 2nd to 5th place in just 1 year.

http://www.twice.com/article/390155-iSuppli_Samsung_Retook_Q3_LCD_TV_Shipment_Lead.php

#2 Sony phones are plagued with failures and they only have 8% market share

http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-phones/news/2009/11/27/Aino-Becomes-2nd-Sony-Ericsson-Phone-to-Fail-In-a-Week/p1

http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=8309

Sony is losing market share and cutting jobs and they have lost money on phones for 2 straight years.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sony-ericssons-quarterly-profit-drops

#3 The original XBOX had superior graphics and it was WAY more reliable than the ps2.

#4 ACER is the SECOND BIGGEST computer maker in the world - SONY is not even in the top 5.

http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-features/44937-acer-beats-up-dell-in-pc-market-share

There you have it. Sony is on the "cutting edge" of absolutely nothing. They lag far behind their competitors in EVERY product line they have. And while sony is making billion dollar losses, microsoft and nintendo are making billion dollar profits.

Sometimes the truth hurts.

In the current economy and mentality if you want to be first you need to sell product at a very low price whatever the quality of it. ACER is a good example, they have crappy product, a lot of faulty laptop that keeps on breaking. If they sell more doesnt mean that they are better than Sony, witch is clearly not the case.

Some of what your saying may be true but your argument doesnt make any sense with your conclusion. If your argument would be to prove that Sony is not the market share leader, than fine. But your argument doesnt prove anything about Sony not offering good product or not trying to be at cutting edge technology. You could be the company that offer the best products and be last because your selling them 20 X the price of the others.

 

Edit: and heres a small hint for you, when company like consumer report evaluate things they usually dont evaluate the average life of the appliances. Which mean that some time they will recommend the worst product on the market, because its cheap and offer a lot of features. Ive seen that a couple of time in the line of my work.



ill tell you why, look at the results of the ps3 know, the only prblem with the ps3, was its advertisent, and the lack of launch games it had, yes the price was to high, but if Sony advertised the ps3 and launched games like gt5 then things eould have been a massive diffrence, and as you can se from the relsut of proper advertisment and propr games, the ps3 is doing amazing



kowenicki said:
Xoj said:
kowenicki said:
blu-ray

thats why.

i dont think so, if ever they could have released a Wii with blu ray for cheap and sell millions.

sony said they decided to make a console like PS3 a long time ago,  ps3 it's a engineering dream, it goes against all profitable rules and economy standards.

blu ray isn't the cause, ps3 was over engineering it have multiple LAN, 2 Cells, but was hell of expensive to build, they removedd the cell and opted for a traditional gpu of nvidia because they were cheaper to produce even so it was still to expensive to make.

 

they wanted to push HD... hd games and hd movies drive hd tv's which drives hd players and hd movie sales / rentals / downloads, which helps movies..  and the circle continues

a blu ray wii... wouldnt thave done that.

u don't need a cell or tri core cpu for HD video.