The main problem on DS is that now even parents buy flashcards to their children...of course it is not to play homebrew, they don't see the point
The main problem on DS is that now even parents buy flashcards to their children...of course it is not to play homebrew, they don't see the point
My guess is that Nintendo -- and others -- will start working on the EU to change its IP laws.
If you can't win in court, you win in the legislature.
As for the ruling, obviously there are legal things that you can do with those carts as well as illegal things, so it is a very tangled mess. However, if this were America and Nintendo felt that it is important enough, it can always appeal until the opposition is unable to continue. I do not know what is and is not allowed in the French (or European) justice systems.
On a side note, I often wondered why states in the US allowed "radar detectors" (devices which let drivers -- especially speeding drivers -- know when their speed was being measured by radar) to be legal. To me, those have no lawful uses but are only banned -- by law -- in a few places (Virginia and Washington DC are all that I know about).
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nordlead said:
gimp the product where you have to buy the original from the store to get a unique DLC code that without it you can't beat the game. It'll kill second hand sales, and piracy all at the same time. Oh, and throw on internet verification every time you start up the game. Nintendo could start their own ISP so they can make even more money while they are at it. |
I honestly can't tell if you're being serious. Unique DLC code? So a game would be useless after that DLC code was activiated, putting an end to lending games to friends. Not to mention if your own system crapped out and you wanted to beat it again, you couldn't as you already used your unique code. Internet verification? Really? Again, sounds like you're being sarcastic. You should at least realize any implementation where a game is "gimped" like this will simply be hacked to play like a normal game without activation.
@Onyx: I was talking about Wii games for region locking.
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Here's the problem. If third party aps for consoles become widespread, the cost of consoles themselves will go up since the current bussiness model would no longer work and console makers would need to turn a proffit off the hardware instead of the software. So what's next, cell phones? Why aren't they picking on the Mac? Ipods?
Onyxmeth said:
Outside of a few rare examples where this might work, how do you propose each developer creates a product that is somehow better if it isn't pirated? A pirated game is essentially supposed to be everything the real game is, since it's a copy. |
Yea, supposed to, but is not. Hackers often remove all the crap companies attach to games to "protect" them. All they do is piss off their paying customers, by getting an inferior product. Same can be said with the DS, where it's a whole lot easier to have all your games on one flash card, instead of having to drag along all these cards that fit's nowhere.
It doesn't matter if it's a lot better, as long as the pirated product is superior, it'd be stupid to pay for the inferior product. Instead of focussing on herassing their paying customers, these vultures should use their energy creating a superior product.
nordlead said:
gimp the product where you have to buy the original from the store to get a unique DLC code that without it you can't beat the game. It'll kill second hand sales, and piracy all at the same time. Oh, and throw on internet verification every time you start up the game. Nintendo could start their own ISP so they can make even more money while they are at it. |
Yea, make it even more annoying for the paying customer! Brilliant!
And what makes you think hackers wouldn't eat up that barrier, like they have everything else Nintendo has thrown at them? Wii and DS are both ripped right open and no firmware update has been able to last more than a few days. But I'm sure your suggestion would finally make them give up and go away, am I right?
It's an easy solution that Nintendo has a dense skull about. They want to stop flash cards for piracy. Which I think we can all agree with, but the problem with is that Hombrew is not illegal and Nintendo provides no development capability outside licensed. Honestly I suspect Nintendo is more against homebrew than piracy. What good is selling a music player when you can get one by homebrew.
All Nintendo has to do is provided a authorized running environment for homebrew. Then there will be no massive attempt to run unauthorized code. If there is no massive attempt to break the security then people can't run the pirate games. It's really simple really.
The universe is all about balance. Give and Take. In and Out, Yin and Yang. If all you do is one then you can bet that the other falls out of balance and breaks. If Nintendo gives a little then the homebrew would take less. If Nintendo was open to being given too it would also be a better position. Heck the homebrew community has even tried to help Nintendo. In the case of Bushing trying to point out flaws in the Wii security. Did they listen, nope Nintendo just threatened him. At least MS actually had some it's hackers come to the office to help secure the system a little more. Casino slot makers hired the biggest slots cheater. Poker cheaters are hired to teach security how to track it. Every serious money industry hires cheaters to improve. Why do console feel they are better?
Seriously any judge backing Nintendo on this would only have small minded impression at the greater picture of security.
Squilliam: On Vgcharts its a commonly accepted practice to twist the bounds of plausibility in order to support your argument or agenda so I think its pretty cool that this gives me the precedent to say whatever I damn well please.
@ameratsu -- If you think that is bad, Sony had patented a way to lock a game to a particular console. It was rumored to be considered for inclusion in the PS3. But it was not -- perhaps because of threats from game retailers (Gamestop reportedly would not carry such a console at that time).
@.jayderyu -- If you are an unlicensed developer, by some definition you might be less than fully vested with legal rights. Nintendo has fought that battle before.
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European courts have tended to be more hostile to the idea of monopolistic platform control, iirc.

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| .jayderyu said: It's an easy solution that Nintendo has a dense skull about. They want to stop flash cards for piracy. Which I think we can all agree with, but the problem with is that Hombrew is not illegal and Nintendo provides no development capability outside licensed. Honestly I suspect Nintendo is more against homebrew than piracy. What good is selling a music player when you can get one by homebrew. All Nintendo has to do is provided a authorized running environment for homebrew. Then there will be no massive attempt to run unauthorized code. If there is no massive attempt to break the security then people can't run the pirate games. It's really simple really. The universe is all about balance. Give and Take. In and Out, Yin and Yang. If all you do is one then you can bet that the other falls out of balance and breaks. If Nintendo gives a little then the homebrew would take less. If Nintendo was open to being given too it would also be a better position. Heck the homebrew community has even tried to help Nintendo. In the case of Bushing trying to point out flaws in the Wii security. Did they listen, nope Nintendo just threatened him. At least MS actually had some it's hackers come to the office to help secure the system a little more. Casino slot makers hired the biggest slots cheater. Poker cheaters are hired to teach security how to track it. Every serious money industry hires cheaters to improve. Why do console feel they are better? Seriously any judge backing Nintendo on this would only have small minded impression at the greater picture of security. |
Nintendo makes a significant amount of money off of licensing fees. All hardware manufacturers do. It shouldn't be a surprise that companies like Nintendo do not like non licensed software being run on their closed platform. Nintendo wants you to use their hardware to run software that either they made or was paid to licensed on the system.
I like homebrew too, but why should any company that profits from licensing allow it? All it would do is promote consumers to not buy licensed software, which eats at their profits. I apologize if this seems rude, but just because you want something doesn't mean you are entitled to it.