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Euphoria14 on 01 December 2009
leo-j said:
Euphoria14 said:
leo-j said:
Euphoria14 said:
I could be wrong, but I have thought for quite a while now that $169.99 was much too expensive.

It should be priced around the DSL, $129.99.

With all the things the PSP does.. $129? Really?

It launched at $250 in March 2005.

Yeah the DS launched at around $160 long ago as well but it's sales allow it to keep the price above $100.

 

PSP still hasn't even hit the DS launch price after amost 5 years.

That is irrlelvent to what I said.. the PSP offers so many features that it makes most mobile handhelds that claim to be multimedia hubs look like childs play.

If you look at what the PSP offers, $169 can even be considered a steal. Though sadly, the consumer market doesn't see that. So I agree when it comes to the demand scale, it needs to drop to $139, and the PSP GO needs to drop to $199 or less, so that the PSP starts selling some good numbers.

Although at its current price, every PSP sold is great money to sony, and a PSP GO at $249 is like profit heaven for sony, selling like 50K of those a week may seem crappy, but 40-50k translates to huge profits.. especially if they make up to $100 of each. I expect that when the PS3 at $299 becomes profitable, they will cut the PSP's price.

I don't think the consumer market cares what extra stuff it can do. They see it in the video game section, they see it as a very expensive gaming handheld.

I agree with you though on why they probably won't cut the price yet.



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Zucas on 01 December 2009
Icyedge said:
I agree with what you said on the PS3 but not on the PSP heres why:

PSP is really succesfull (55 M sold), not selling as much as the top competitor doesnt mean you dont have success. Its the DS that has more success then a handheld would normally has after all those years on the market. This gen Nintendo is showing us that the best way to sell consoles is to find a thing that appeal to casual gamers and kids (motion control, touch screen, price). Im not saying there is no hardcore games on DS or Wii but the reason it sells more than the others is because of a much larger audience. I really hope that Sony and Microsoft doesnt go that way to increase sales. Or at least if they go that way I hope they still release as much hardcore title. DS is a good example of having a large audience but also satisfying hardcore needs while Wii no comments...

Well don't misrepresent my argument.  I'm not stating that PSP is unsuccessful but that they have failed to continue competing with the DS.  Remember I could only make that argument if I thought that PSP was still in a compeititve situation which given 55 million sold it definitely was (but obviously not anymore).



Xxain on 01 December 2009

Well Console Market is more important than handlheld one. The PSP sells ok...and PSP GO was just used as a money generator wrap up as a DD test



leo-j on 01 December 2009
Xxain said:
Soriku said:

The PSP isn't even advertised as a game system, it's advertised as a media system. That's the problem. There are more capable media systems like the iPhone for example. The PS3 is like a media center too, but at least the media stuff it has like bluray is more important than the PSP's features especially in the face of more capable and popular systems as I said.

Then there are a lot of people who pirate games and the people who actually buy the games end up being a small amount, especially in the West but the situation is different in Japan.

The last reason is that many of its games aren't anything new and fresh like the DS - either something like a cheap PS2 game in most cases, or inferior versions of HD games. There are exceptions but not many.

There's a lot of things against it and that's a problem. For starters, next gen Sony should actually market it like a game system with media features like the DSi, not the other way around. Second, don't make it get inferior ports and don't make the games be like PS2 games - have more new IPs that are marketed right. Also find a way to reduce piracy - DD was a start but that turned out to be a complete failure with the PSP Go. Find some other way to combat piracy. Sony isn't really taking care of this like Nintendo or Microsoft are. Lastly, price it right.

Soriku...goto SONY and demand they put you in charge of PSP management, because you lliterally hit the hammer on the head with points...thats exactly what i meant about PSP's identity crisis

if you are completely living under a rock in terms of PSP knowledge like 99% of the people here and most of the people that own a PSP, you would  agree with soriku..

Most games that have released on PSP the past 2 years have been NEW, INNOVATIVE, and UNIQUE. Locoroco has to be one of the best among them. Patapon also comes to mind, and let me not even say Holy invasion piracy batman, sure it may seem crazy but its great.  All those games are left to the side by gamers, LOCOROCO can be considered to me ONE OF THE BEST HANDHELD GAMES IN SOME TIME. The fact the PSP is able to play ANY PS ONE GAME on PSN just makes its library even more compelling. The PS2 PORT can be said at launch and a year or two into the systems life, but RIGTH NOW? More like PSP to PS2 ports...

There have been so many amazing ip on the PSP this year, that its so sad that its being shunned by the market.. JAK AND DAXTER, ASSASSINS CREED, LOCOROCO MIDNIGHT CARNIVAL, PIXEL JUNK MONSTERS DELUXE. I am sure nobody here knew any of those games had released.. and thoe games are just the tip of what the PSP has released this year.. its not that they don't market it well, THEY DO. I mean they were releasing a crazy amount of PSP GO ads, and re releasing a crazy amount of LBP ads on tv... yet its not doing anything. Clearly the market has shifted in nintendo's favor. Sadly the PSP is the one to pay for it.



 

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steverhcp02 on 01 December 2009
Zucas said:
CGI-Quality said:
steverhcp02 said:
Sonys spread too thin. They have no direction still with the PSP. The reason the PS3 is rebounding is the price, and clear advertising. Sure the slogan is "everything" but the ads are funny, they show games, they show a movie, they show the PSN.

PSP commercials show college kids in threesomes and it costs more than a wii or 360 for the Go.

Just botched direction.

Oh and the DS is the commander of the handhelds.

As well thought out as this entire post is, this last sentence is all that needs to be said.

Well although I agree with that notion, Wii is also a monster and yet Sony is still showing it can compete there.  It's arguable that if the marketing and software and confidence push had not been put into the PS3 Slim (especially with that eventual Wii pricecut) that it would have gone the same way of the PSP Go. 

I'm not trying to get at that PS3 or PSP will ever overtake their market leaders.  I just want to try and figure out why they would try such aggressive moves in both markets and completely fail on one end for their own reason and then succeed with flying colors on the other side also by their own reasons.  Yes some maybe even a majority has to do with the situations of the markets, but shouldn't the mentality for both still have been the same?

No. The PS3 carries BD which sony has tie ins to. The PS3 routinely is capable of driving software WW. The PS3is still in a place where it can challenege in terms of marketshare.

Its actually finally a smart business move by Sony to start driving the PS3 and focus on something that has a higher ceiling in terms of profitability long term.




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Icyedge on 01 December 2009
Zucas said:
Icyedge said:
I agree with what you said on the PS3 but not on the PSP heres why:

PSP is really succesfull (55 M sold), not selling as much as the top competitor doesnt mean you dont have success. Its the DS that has more success then a handheld would normally has after all those years on the market. This gen Nintendo is showing us that the best way to sell consoles is to find a thing that appeal to casual gamers and kids (motion control, touch screen, price). Im not saying there is no hardcore games on DS or Wii but the reason it sells more than the others is because of a much larger audience. I really hope that Sony and Microsoft doesnt go that way to increase sales. Or at least if they go that way I hope they still release as much hardcore title. DS is a good example of having a large audience but also satisfying hardcore needs while Wii no comments...

Well don't misrepresent my argument.  I'm not stating that PSP is unsuccessful but that they have failed to continue competing with the DS.  Remember I could only make that argument if I thought that PSP was still in a compeititve situation which given 55 million sold it definitely was (but obviously not anymore).

 

But they cannot competition with it, because of the hardware. Even if they sell PSP at 100$ it is not aiming for the same market. They would sell more but never like the DS is selling. Casual gamer and kids loves the touch screen, and theres a lot more casual gamer then hardcore gamer.



Euphoria14 on 01 December 2009
leo-j said:
Xxain said:
Soriku said:

The PSP isn't even advertised as a game system, it's advertised as a media system. That's the problem. There are more capable media systems like the iPhone for example. The PS3 is like a media center too, but at least the media stuff it has like bluray is more important than the PSP's features especially in the face of more capable and popular systems as I said.

Then there are a lot of people who pirate games and the people who actually buy the games end up being a small amount, especially in the West but the situation is different in Japan.

The last reason is that many of its games aren't anything new and fresh like the DS - either something like a cheap PS2 game in most cases, or inferior versions of HD games. There are exceptions but not many.

There's a lot of things against it and that's a problem. For starters, next gen Sony should actually market it like a game system with media features like the DSi, not the other way around. Second, don't make it get inferior ports and don't make the games be like PS2 games - have more new IPs that are marketed right. Also find a way to reduce piracy - DD was a start but that turned out to be a complete failure with the PSP Go. Find some other way to combat piracy. Sony isn't really taking care of this like Nintendo or Microsoft are. Lastly, price it right.

Soriku...goto SONY and demand they put you in charge of PSP management, because you lliterally hit the hammer on the head with points...thats exactly what i meant about PSP's identity crisis

if you are completely living under a rock in terms of PSP knowledge like 99% of the people here and most of the people that own a PSP, you would  agree with soriku..

Most games that have released on PSP the past 2 years have been NEW, INNOVATIVE, and UNIQUE. Locoroco has to be one of the best among them. Patapon also comes to mind, and let me not even say Holy invasion piracy batman, sure it may seem crazy but its great.  All those games are left to the side by gamers, LOCOROCO can be considered to me ONE OF THE BEST HANDHELD GAMES IN SOME TIME. The fact the PSP is able to play ANY PS ONE GAME on PSN just makes its library even more compelling. The PS2 PORT can be said at launch and a year or two into the systems life, but RIGTH NOW? More like PSP to PS2 ports...

There have been so many amazing ip on the PSP this year, that its so sad that its being shunned by the market.. JAK AND DAXTER, ASSASSINS CREED, LOCOROCO MIDNIGHT CARNIVAL, PIXEL JUNK MONSTERS DELUXE. I am sure nobody here knew any of those games had released.. and thoe games are just the tip of what the PSP has released this year.. its not that they don't market it well, THEY DO. I mean they were releasing a crazy amount of PSP GO ads, and re releasing a crazy amount of LBP ads on tv... yet its not doing anything. Clearly the market has shifted in nintendo's favor. Sadly the PSP is the one to pay for it.

Half Minute Hero was so awesome too. I also 100% agree on Holy Invasion of Privacy Badman. Addicting game, I play it at work.

PSP has a fantastic library of games. It really is sad that so many people seem to ignore it.



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Xxain on 01 December 2009
leo-j said:
Xxain said:
Soriku said:

The PSP isn't even advertised as a game system, it's advertised as a media system. That's the problem. There are more capable media systems like the iPhone for example. The PS3 is like a media center too, but at least the media stuff it has like bluray is more important than the PSP's features especially in the face of more capable and popular systems as I said.

Then there are a lot of people who pirate games and the people who actually buy the games end up being a small amount, especially in the West but the situation is different in Japan.

The last reason is that many of its games aren't anything new and fresh like the DS - either something like a cheap PS2 game in most cases, or inferior versions of HD games. There are exceptions but not many.

There's a lot of things against it and that's a problem. For starters, next gen Sony should actually market it like a game system with media features like the DSi, not the other way around. Second, don't make it get inferior ports and don't make the games be like PS2 games - have more new IPs that are marketed right. Also find a way to reduce piracy - DD was a start but that turned out to be a complete failure with the PSP Go. Find some other way to combat piracy. Sony isn't really taking care of this like Nintendo or Microsoft are. Lastly, price it right.

Soriku...goto SONY and demand they put you in charge of PSP management, because you lliterally hit the hammer on the head with points...thats exactly what i meant about PSP's identity crisis

if you are completely living under a rock in terms of PSP knowledge like 99% of the people here and most of the people that own a PSP, you would  agree with soriku..

Most games that have released on PSP the past 2 years have been NEW, INNOVATIVE, and UNIQUE. Locoroco has to be one of the best among them. Patapon also comes to mind, and let me not even say Holy invasion piracy batman, sure it may seem crazy but its great.  All those games are left to the side by gamers, LOCOROCO can be considered to me ONE OF THE BEST HANDHELD GAMES IN SOME TIME. The fact the PSP is able to play ANY PS ONE GAME on PSN just makes its library even more compelling. The PS2 PORT can be said at launch and a year or two into the systems life, but RIGTH NOW? More like PSP to PS2 ports...

There have been so many amazing ip on the PSP this year, that its so sad that its being shunned by the market.. JAK AND DAXTER, ASSASSINS CREED, LOCOROCO MIDNIGHT CARNIVAL, PIXEL JUNK MONSTERS DELUXE. I am sure nobody here knew any of those games had released.. and thoe games are just the tip of what the PSP has released this year.. its not that they don't market it well, THEY DO. I mean they were releasing a crazy amount of PSP GO ads, and re releasing a crazy amount of LBP ads on tv... yet its not doing anything. Clearly the market has shifted in nintendo's favor. Sadly the PSP is the one to pay for it.


dude PSP was released in 2005!!!!! why only in the last 2 years did they give it attention??...late 2009 and 2010 will be the times PSP is consistently gettin good SW...the Market did not shun PSP it was ignored for soo long that any thunder it had then is gone now..

Zucas on 01 December 2009
Icyedge said:
Zucas said:
Icyedge said:
I agree with what you said on the PS3 but not on the PSP heres why:

PSP is really succesfull (55 M sold), not selling as much as the top competitor doesnt mean you dont have success. Its the DS that has more success then a handheld would normally has after all those years on the market. This gen Nintendo is showing us that the best way to sell consoles is to find a thing that appeal to casual gamers and kids (motion control, touch screen, price). Im not saying there is no hardcore games on DS or Wii but the reason it sells more than the others is because of a much larger audience. I really hope that Sony and Microsoft doesnt go that way to increase sales. Or at least if they go that way I hope they still release as much hardcore title. DS is a good example of having a large audience but also satisfying hardcore needs while Wii no comments...

Well don't misrepresent my argument.  I'm not stating that PSP is unsuccessful but that they have failed to continue competing with the DS.  Remember I could only make that argument if I thought that PSP was still in a compeititve situation which given 55 million sold it definitely was (but obviously not anymore).

 

But they cannot competition with it, because of the hardware. Even if they sell PSP at 100$ it is not aiming for the same market. They would sell more but never like the DS is selling. Casual gamer and kids loves the touch screen, and theres a lot more casual gamer then hardcore gamer.

Well if they realize they can't compete then that leaves them two options.  Either stop making systems in the market or try to retake it.  PSP Go was not attempt to do that so that is what I'm asking... why release the PSP Go then.  Why not just let PSP 3000 stay in there or do that and release a PSP2 next year (or that year).  It's just hard to understand their thinking in all of this.



Icyedge on 01 December 2009
leo-j said:
Xxain said:
Soriku said:

The PSP isn't even advertised as a game system, it's advertised as a media system. That's the problem. There are more capable media systems like the iPhone for example. The PS3 is like a media center too, but at least the media stuff it has like bluray is more important than the PSP's features especially in the face of more capable and popular systems as I said.

Then there are a lot of people who pirate games and the people who actually buy the games end up being a small amount, especially in the West but the situation is different in Japan.

The last reason is that many of its games aren't anything new and fresh like the DS - either something like a cheap PS2 game in most cases, or inferior versions of HD games. There are exceptions but not many.

There's a lot of things against it and that's a problem. For starters, next gen Sony should actually market it like a game system with media features like the DSi, not the other way around. Second, don't make it get inferior ports and don't make the games be like PS2 games - have more new IPs that are marketed right. Also find a way to reduce piracy - DD was a start but that turned out to be a complete failure with the PSP Go. Find some other way to combat piracy. Sony isn't really taking care of this like Nintendo or Microsoft are. Lastly, price it right.

Soriku...goto SONY and demand they put you in charge of PSP management, because you lliterally hit the hammer on the head with points...thats exactly what i meant about PSP's identity crisis

if you are completely living under a rock in terms of PSP knowledge like 99% of the people here and most of the people that own a PSP, you would  agree with soriku..

Most games that have released on PSP the past 2 years have been NEW, INNOVATIVE, and UNIQUE. Locoroco has to be one of the best among them. Patapon also comes to mind, and let me not even say Holy invasion piracy batman, sure it may seem crazy but its great.  All those games are left to the side by gamers, LOCOROCO can be considered to me ONE OF THE BEST HANDHELD GAMES IN SOME TIME. The fact the PSP is able to play ANY PS ONE GAME on PSN just makes its library even more compelling. The PS2 PORT can be said at launch and a year or two into the systems life, but RIGTH NOW? More like PSP to PS2 ports...

There have been so many amazing ip on the PSP this year, that its so sad that its being shunned by the market.. JAK AND DAXTER, ASSASSINS CREED, LOCOROCO MIDNIGHT CARNIVAL, PIXEL JUNK MONSTERS DELUXE. I am sure nobody here knew any of those games had released.. and thoe games are just the tip of what the PSP has released this year.. its not that they don't market it well, THEY DO. I mean they were releasing a crazy amount of PSP GO ads, and re releasing a crazy amount of LBP ads on tv... yet its not doing anything. Clearly the market has shifted in nintendo's favor. Sadly the PSP is the one to pay for it.

 

Everything you said is right, I also have a PSP. But all those games are normal hardcore games while DS has touch screen and nintendogs. They have a much larger audience, this explain why it could never sell as much as DS.