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steverhcp02 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
steverhcp02 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Sorry guys, there are bundles every year yes, but most bundles are not on par with the value that Sony gave its PS3 bundles this year, the rate of sellout of them backs it up, this sales boost is pretty much a one time thing, the other bundles this year won't have this effect, yes the christmas weekend has a chance of getting up to this level, but I don't see it doing 50K plus better Carl, likely it'll be around this weeks level. The reason why NA Sales matter Letsdance, is because sales boosts in Others and Japan won't be able to get it any where near 1 million, you have to see a sizable boost in NA to get up to that. PS3 isn't the leading console Stever, not even close, so you can't say it'll see sales boosts as the leading console, since its not the leading console.

Or it could just be people really want a PS3 now that its $299.

http://blog.mlive.com/manzero/2008/11/black_friday_deals_who_has_the.html

Sorry but you cant blame Sony for bundling "better games" if they have them to bundle. LBP is a year old game. Batman AA ties in with the dark knight to show off the BD feature of the PS3. Infamous and KZ2 are great exclusives one being 10 months old the other being 6 months old.

It could just be people wanted the products more because they see more value in it.

Not to mention we dont even know how many bundles were available to make this argument that it inflated the numbers so much.

Oh and can i also mention that the 360 had MW2 bundle. Please stop.

Bundles are moot. Just face it.


  Nope, MW2 bundle won't have as much effect on 360 due to Halo, as the FPS is well represented on 360, another FPS won't push as much hardware.

 

Not blaming Sony, just pointing out that they succeeeded in inflating sales withtheir bundles, its a good job for them, but it does distort

Then what is your explanation that the PS3 sold 180k this week in others and last year in the week before BF in others it sold 130k? nearly a 40%  increase YOY and thats BEFORE the inflated holiday sales.

You say yourself it only sold better in others compared to xmas boosting relative to BF statside sales. So can we not extrapolate that if its increased by 40% in others BEFORE holiday rushing...and it did more than double last year the week before xmas compared to this week....should we not expect tp see sales upwards of 380k in others in light of this?

So you see, even when analyzing Others sales independantly we see the PS3 should hit around 400k that week in others?

Next?


Price cut, new model, games, any of these ring a bell?

Not necessarily, can't extrapolate just simply like that, because the cost of the system this year compared to last, means that fewer people will be treating it as a big Christmas purchase, that's probably why sales saw such a boost last year, because people were waiting until Christmas to justify the purchase, so you had a lot of pent up demand from the year that drove the boosts, you likely wont see such an effect this year.



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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steverhcp02 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
letsdance said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Actually the poor logic is your's lets dance, the reason it sold so much more in others than in NA in previous years was becuase its sales in NA were so poor, people were going for the 360 instead in NA, but now that's changed, its not a mathematical relationship sales in Others and NA, they won't rise in proportion


keep digging your hole.

America Vs America

124,040 (+22%) 10,315,624
79,069 (+11%) 6,402,695

+ 45k

Others Vs. Others

167,530 (+22%) 12,476,638
115,783 (+9%) 7,279,597

+ 52k

Others is up more than NA is... why wouldn't it be the same in weeks to come?


  Because we are talking about Sales weeks during the holiday, not about normal weeks, Black Friday is pretty much a NA thing, and the weekend before Christmas is bigger in NA than in Others

Not for Sony it isnt when talking about videogames as it trends better for the PS3. Different markets trend differently for different consoles and Sonys Others market trends better than the states all the time.


  That trend is no longer in effect though, its a trend that altered with the price cut and slim, which is why you'll see bigger holiday sales for PS3 in NA



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Avinash_Tyagi said:
steverhcp02 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
steverhcp02 said:


Price cut, new model, games, any of these ring a bell?

Not necessarily, can't extrapolate just simply like that, because the cost of the system this year compared to last, means that fewer people will be treating it as a big Christmas purchase, that's probably why sales saw such a boost last year, because people were waiting until Christmas to justify the purchase, so you had a lot of pent up demand from the year that drove the boosts, you likely wont see such an effect this year.

So you are basically saying sales have yet to stablize following the price cut a remodel?

If so, should we see even HIGHER numbers since, according to your logic, we are still going to see boosted numbers in light of the aforementioned? So if sales have stabalized we have a new baseline to use % increased which points towards a near 400k week for the PS3. If by you logic, we are still seeing inflated numbers this week from the price cut on September 1st we would see even GREATER increases over the % from last year. So then by your argument we should expect even higher ratios.

Youre really just running in circles here.



Avinash_Tyagi said:
steverhcp02 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
letsdance said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Actually the poor logic is your's lets dance, the reason it sold so much more in others than in NA in previous years was becuase its sales in NA were so poor, people were going for the 360 instead in NA, but now that's changed, its not a mathematical relationship sales in Others and NA, they won't rise in proportion


keep digging your hole.

America Vs America

124,040 (+22%) 10,315,624
79,069 (+11%) 6,402,695

+ 45k

Others Vs. Others

167,530 (+22%) 12,476,638
115,783 (+9%) 7,279,597

+ 52k

Others is up more than NA is... why wouldn't it be the same in weeks to come?


  Because we are talking about Sales weeks during the holiday, not about normal weeks, Black Friday is pretty much a NA thing, and the weekend before Christmas is bigger in NA than in Others

Not for Sony it isnt when talking about videogames as it trends better for the PS3. Different markets trend differently for different consoles and Sonys Others market trends better than the states all the time.


  That trend is no longer in effect though, its a trend that altered with the price cut and slim


...uh... so far the facts still go in favore for EU... what are you basing your trends on? A day that hasn't even happened yet and won't for another month?

Avinash_Tyagi said:
steverhcp02 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
letsdance said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Actually the poor logic is your's lets dance, the reason it sold so much more in others than in NA in previous years was becuase its sales in NA were so poor, people were going for the 360 instead in NA, but now that's changed, its not a mathematical relationship sales in Others and NA, they won't rise in proportion


keep digging your hole.

America Vs America

124,040 (+22%) 10,315,624
79,069 (+11%) 6,402,695

+ 45k

Others Vs. Others

167,530 (+22%) 12,476,638
115,783 (+9%) 7,279,597

+ 52k

Others is up more than NA is... why wouldn't it be the same in weeks to come?


  Because we are talking about Sales weeks during the holiday, not about normal weeks, Black Friday is pretty much a NA thing, and the weekend before Christmas is bigger in NA than in Others

Not for Sony it isnt when talking about videogames as it trends better for the PS3. Different markets trend differently for different consoles and Sonys Others market trends better than the states all the time.


  That trend is no longer in effect though, its a trend that altered with the price cut and slim, which is why you'll see bigger holiday sales for PS3 in NA

Im afraid theres no sense in discussing this with you anymore. You seem to think that sales havent baselined which they have and on top of that you seem to be under the impression that purchasing trends in Others which show correlation with yearly percentages in relationship to holiday boosts simply dont exist, which they do.

The number for the holidays of a certain year coincide with % increases and buyer demand for the months preceeding, Its basic economics when talking about something like this. Youll be proven wrong in time, just like everyone else who has been trying to argue against it for the last 3 months, good luck debating with the others.



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steverhcp02 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
steverhcp02 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
steverhcp02 said:
 


Price cut, new model, games, any of these ring a bell?

Not necessarily, can't extrapolate just simply like that, because the cost of the system this year compared to last, means that fewer people will be treating it as a big Christmas purchase, that's probably why sales saw such a boost last year, because people were waiting until Christmas to justify the purchase, so you had a lot of pent up demand from the year that drove the boosts, you likely wont see such an effect this year.

So you are basically saying sales have yet to stablize following the price cut a remodel?

If so, should we see even HIGHER numbers since, according to your logic, we are still going to see boosted numbers in light of the aforementioned? So if sales have stabalized we have a new baseline to use % increased which points towards a near 400k week for the PS3. If by you logic, we are still seeing inflated numbers this week from the price cut on September 1st we would see even GREATER increases over the % from last year. So then by your argument we should expect even higher ratios.

Youre really just running in circles here.


  No I never said anything about stabilization, I said that the result of the price cut and slim means that the PS3 will have better sales in NA, due to the normal holiday maket being bigger in NA than in others, look at BF you really think that Others is going to be anywhere near the around 490K PS3 sold in NA?

 

I think the one running in circles is you, I'm putting out a very simple easily seen point, just look at sales this week, and you don't seem to get it



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

letsdance said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
steverhcp02 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
letsdance said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Actually the poor logic is your's lets dance, the reason it sold so much more in others than in NA in previous years was becuase its sales in NA were so poor, people were going for the 360 instead in NA, but now that's changed, its not a mathematical relationship sales in Others and NA, they won't rise in proportion


keep digging your hole.

America Vs America

124,040 (+22%) 10,315,624
79,069 (+11%) 6,402,695

+ 45k

Others Vs. Others

167,530 (+22%) 12,476,638
115,783 (+9%) 7,279,597

+ 52k

Others is up more than NA is... why wouldn't it be the same in weeks to come?


  Because we are talking about Sales weeks during the holiday, not about normal weeks, Black Friday is pretty much a NA thing, and the weekend before Christmas is bigger in NA than in Others

Not for Sony it isnt when talking about videogames as it trends better for the PS3. Different markets trend differently for different consoles and Sonys Others market trends better than the states all the time.


  That trend is no longer in effect though, its a trend that altered with the price cut and slim


...uh... so far the facts still go in favore for EU... what are you basing your trends on? A day that hasn't even happened yet and won't for another month?


   Last weeks sales, Black Friday, where do you think had the higher sales, NA or Others?



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Guys, stop feeding the troll.



Bet with Dr.A.Peter.Nintendo that Super Mario Galaxy 2 won't sell 15 million copies up to six months after it's release, the winner will get Avatar control for a week and signature control for a month.

RageBot said:
Guys, stop feeding the troll.

Stop flaming. Reported.



                            

Avinash_Tyagi said:
steverhcp02 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
steverhcp02 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
steverhcp02 said:
 


Price cut, new model, games, any of these ring a bell?

Not necessarily, can't extrapolate just simply like that, because the cost of the system this year compared to last, means that fewer people will be treating it as a big Christmas purchase, that's probably why sales saw such a boost last year, because people were waiting until Christmas to justify the purchase, so you had a lot of pent up demand from the year that drove the boosts, you likely wont see such an effect this year.

So you are basically saying sales have yet to stablize following the price cut a remodel?

If so, should we see even HIGHER numbers since, according to your logic, we are still going to see boosted numbers in light of the aforementioned? So if sales have stabalized we have a new baseline to use % increased which points towards a near 400k week for the PS3. If by you logic, we are still seeing inflated numbers this week from the price cut on September 1st we would see even GREATER increases over the % from last year. So then by your argument we should expect even higher ratios.

Youre really just running in circles here.


  No I never said anything about stabilization, I said that the result of the price cut and slim means that the PS3 will have better sales in NA, due to the normal holiday maket being bigger in NA than in others, look at BF you really think that Others is going to be anywhere near the around 490K PS3 sold in NA?

 

I think the one running in circles is you, I'm putting out a very simple easily seen point, just look at sales this week, and you don't seem to get it

Im a man....and ill get a boob job this weekend and post semi nude pics on the internet if you show me where i said it would sell around 490k in others.

The best thing about the internet is we can refer back to these threads when the numbers come in. I look forward to that. People that have been consistantly wrong and keep beating the same old drum should know by now, but they dont. Ill talk to you in december, friend.

 

EDIT: i see where you drew the conclusion. When i said Others trends higher than the states all the time. I didnt mean in absolutes, i should have been more precise and said 99% of the itme. As you go theough the posts youll see im saying around 400k for Others the week before xmas.