You sound like Gates did 3 years ago. Funny that.

I just think it's kind of silly. Various 3rd party developers are excited about this technology, and Natal has already received various scientific awards, yet people STILL don't want to be excited over this.

Instead of thinking about ONLY the problems, think about the possibilities as well. Yeah, maybe in conversion you could change the channel, or some random motion will turn off the TV, or maybe the finger tracking isn't perfect; but try to think more positively, and then weigh the positive and the negative. If you still can't get into this, cool, that's fine, there's nothing wrong with that. It just seems like so many people just immediately disregard Natal for some reason without logically thinking it through.

OT: I think this is pretty cool, having finally moved into my own place, controllers kind of create a bit of clutter. Anything that removes all this clutter I'm noticing lately (video game cases, solution, downloads; Movies, solution, streaming; Etc.) is a welcome change to me.

Microsoft has a history of over-promising and under-delivering.
This just feels like this could be another instance of that.

And until someone figures out how to make a universal remote or third-party remote fully functional, nothing is going to do what is promised herein.

Mike from Morgantown

People are immediately disregarding Natal because it's made by MS.
If it was made by the manufacturer of their choice they would be wetter between the legs than a teenage girl at the mention of Twilight.

Get one of these - http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-890-Remote-Control/dp/B001L1RSO8/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1259599310&sr=8-9

then you can control your system from any room in the house, which is much better than having to wave your hands or nod your head in front of a camera in 1 specific room. I bought one because I have a 2 room setup with a single AV system and it works great

Sounds like it could be a cool thing, however like new technology it may not work in the real world how they think. It may take some time to really dial in this technology, like i read someone said, you dont want to scratch your head or something else, and the channel changes or something like that. Ill keep my remotes for now, but this could be very cool tech in years to come.

Haha $280? Hot damn, I think I'll stick with my clutter thanks =)

I got mine (refurbished) for $130, but that is the controller. I'm not sure why the refurbished one is sitting at $280, as I found a lot of websites selling refurbished ones for ~$150.

Realistically, if they sell Natal just for TV they'll have to charge just as much as they won't be selling extra content and need to make a profit somehow.

But Natal wont be sold for just the tv so it's a mute point.

• If Natal is sold for use on a TV standalone as a controller for $50, then every person who buys one for their TV will cause Microsoft to lose money, so they won't sell it that cheap stand alone.
• If I have to buy an X360 first, then it costs +$200 anyways.
• If I can buy it for my PC, then again it will have to be fairly expensive as I won't be buying extra content.

All I'm really saying, is that an expensive RF controller that controlls 15 devices isn't really all that expensive if you are considering dropping similar money on something just to control your TV (and possibly other periphrials) and he can have it now rather than waiting til Natal comes out.

(as a note, I only really came in here because NJ5 was having a problem and I probably should go read the entire thread, but I was just pointing out that if you are tired of the controller clutter there are some great products out there already)