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Nobama gets a F-
He has destroyed our budget and over hyped swine flu.



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Interesting thought that he's past the "give him time" stage. The common thinking in college football is to give a new coach four years to turn a program around, due to the time it takes to implement his new program and retrain the kids to learn it, and then to recruit new kids of his own liking. But I'm sure turning around a 10 year in-the-making recession in a multi-trillion dollar economy shouldn't take much longer than about 10 months.

Honestly, for me I would give him an B+ for these reasons:

-I bought a home, got $8,000 for it.
-My tax bracket got a small tax cut. It's not much, but I get $50 less a month taken out. Been a long time since I could say that I have LESS taxes taken out.
-Nothing negative has happened to me. (I'm solidly middle-class for reference).
-I am waiting on delivery of some of those awesome promises though. Health care reform would be really, really nice, 'cause it ain't gettin' any cheaper.



CommonMan said:
Interesting thought that he's past the "give him time" stage. The common thinking in college football is to give a new coach four years to turn a program around, due to the time it takes to implement his new program and retrain the kids to learn it, and then to recruit new kids of his own liking. But I'm sure turning around a 10 year in-the-making recession in a multi-trillion dollar economy shouldn't take much longer than about 10 months.

Honestly, for me I would give him an B+ for these reasons:

-I bought a home, got $8,000 for it.
-My tax bracket got a small tax cut. It's not much, but I get $50 less a month taken out. Been a long time since I could say that I have LESS taxes taken out.
-Nothing negative has happened to me. (I'm solidly middle-class for reference).
-I am waiting on delivery of some of those awesome promises though. Health care reform would be really, really nice, 'cause it ain't gettin' any cheaper.

Get a job with the state. No health care reform needed then.



Economy F
Environment D-
Energy D+
Foreign Relations C-
Defense C+
Education B
Finance F
Federal budget F-
Social issues D+
Judiciary D
Crime C
Transportation D
Trade C-

Ethics D



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elprincipe said:

Economy F
Environment D-
Energy D+
Foreign Relations C-
Defense C+
Education B
Finance F
Federal budget F-
Social issues D+
Judiciary D
Crime C
Transportation D
Trade C-

Ethics D

B in education? Not in my school.



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I don't trust any politican. Once they get into office,they don't care about the common man. They only tell you what you want to here!!!!!!!!



highwaystar101 said:

Well I'm English so he hasn't effected me.

However, I do like the fact he has tried to push universal healthcare for America, it's something that's been a long time coming. People can't exactly accuse him of asking where the change is any more because slowly it's happening. I think he will also make things more efficient domestically once the recession is in the past, which isn't hard to do after Bush.

His major tarnish is the promises he hasn't kept about the war on terror. He said he wanted to withdraw soldiers out of Iraq and Afghanistan, but that hasn't happened. He also said he wanted to close Guantanamo bay, he announced it on his first day; But he has back peddled since then.

This is just a report card so I do not want to get into a debate over anything since it is pretty much a subjective issue.  With that said Obama was actually for putting more troops into Afghanistan not pulling them out. Unless, of course, he has publicly changed his stance since the campaign, which as far as I know he has not.

Source

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"If elected, Obama says, he would immediately withdraw thousands of ground troops from Iraq and send them to Afghanistan to help undermanned US forces defeat the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

"It's time to refocus our attention on the war we have to win in Afghanistan," Obama said in a speech last week. "It is time to go after the Al Qaeda leadership where it actually exists."

The Illinois senator, whose opposition to the Iraq war is a campaign centerpiece, has concluded that the US presence there has fanned Islamic terrorism and diverted scarce military resources from taking on new terrorist camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where Al Qaeda operatives trained for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks."

...



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Sqrl said:
highwaystar101 said:

Well I'm English so he hasn't effected me.

However, I do like the fact he has tried to push universal healthcare for America, it's something that's been a long time coming. People can't exactly accuse him of asking where the change is any more because slowly it's happening. I think he will also make things more efficient domestically once the recession is in the past, which isn't hard to do after Bush.

His major tarnish is the promises he hasn't kept about the war on terror. He said he wanted to withdraw soldiers out of Iraq and Afghanistan, but that hasn't happened. He also said he wanted to close Guantanamo bay, he announced it on his first day; But he has back peddled since then.

This is just a report card so I do not want to get into a debate over anything since it is pretty much a subjective issue.  With that said Obama was actually for putting more troops into Afghanistan not pulling them out. Unless, of course, he has publicly changed his stance since the campaign, which as far as I know he has not.

Source

...

"If elected, Obama says, he would immediately withdraw thousands of ground troops from Iraq and send them to Afghanistan to help undermanned US forces defeat the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

"It's time to refocus our attention on the war we have to win in Afghanistan," Obama said in a speech last week. "It is time to go after the Al Qaeda leadership where it actually exists."

The Illinois senator, whose opposition to the Iraq war is a campaign centerpiece, has concluded that the US presence there has fanned Islamic terrorism and diverted scarce military resources from taking on new terrorist camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where Al Qaeda operatives trained for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks."

...

Don't worry about debate, we're in agreement to be honest. And it is on topic to the thread after all, we are assessing how Obama is performing.

...

Obama wanted to end the war in Afghanistan quickly.

Obama's stance whilst running was to begin with withdrawing troops from Iraq and make significant progress with Afghanistan, with the aim being to end the conflict soon.

The war in Afghanistan was stuck in neutral under Bush, it wasn't leading to a victory. Whilst he was campaigning, Obama made out that he wasn't happy being stuck in neutral, and wanted to make significant progress so the USA could withdraw from Afghanistan sooner. Essentially win the war so you can pull troops out.

Has he done this? No. The war is still stuck in neutral, all he has done is make empty promises and the war is still somewhat of a stalemate.

From the same source you gave me...

"If elected, Obama says, he would immediately withdraw thousands of ground troops from Iraq and send them to Afghanistan to help undermanned US forces defeat the Taliban and Al Qaeda."

This pretty much outlines the plan which I was aware of, and I'm not sure he is accomplishing this at all. A few weeks ago he even rejected a plan to send more troops into Afghanistan with a clear aim to end the war quickly.



If anything, he's been too conciliatory. Trying to gain consensus when the Republicans clearly have no mind to do anything but try to water down anything he does. He should have just strong-armed all of it, and damn bi-partisanship

 

His lack of action is mostly due to his efforts to try to operate with consensus, or something as close as possible to it in our polarized political environment, instead of just steamrolling the opposition.



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highwaystar101 said:
Sqrl said:
highwaystar101 said:

Well I'm English so he hasn't effected me.

However, I do like the fact he has tried to push universal healthcare for America, it's something that's been a long time coming. People can't exactly accuse him of asking where the change is any more because slowly it's happening. I think he will also make things more efficient domestically once the recession is in the past, which isn't hard to do after Bush.

His major tarnish is the promises he hasn't kept about the war on terror. He said he wanted to withdraw soldiers out of Iraq and Afghanistan, but that hasn't happened. He also said he wanted to close Guantanamo bay, he announced it on his first day; But he has back peddled since then.

This is just a report card so I do not want to get into a debate over anything since it is pretty much a subjective issue.  With that said Obama was actually for putting more troops into Afghanistan not pulling them out. Unless, of course, he has publicly changed his stance since the campaign, which as far as I know he has not.

Source

...

"If elected, Obama says, he would immediately withdraw thousands of ground troops from Iraq and send them to Afghanistan to help undermanned US forces defeat the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

"It's time to refocus our attention on the war we have to win in Afghanistan," Obama said in a speech last week. "It is time to go after the Al Qaeda leadership where it actually exists."

The Illinois senator, whose opposition to the Iraq war is a campaign centerpiece, has concluded that the US presence there has fanned Islamic terrorism and diverted scarce military resources from taking on new terrorist camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where Al Qaeda operatives trained for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks."

...

Don't worry about debate, we're in agreement to be honest. And it is on topic to the thread after all, we are assessing how Obama is performing.

...

Obama wanted to end the war in Afghanistan quickly.

Obama's stance whilst running was to begin with withdrawing troops from Iraq and make significant progress with Afghanistan, with the aim being to end the conflict soon.

The war in Afghanistan was stuck in neutral under Bush, it wasn't leading to a victory. Whilst he was campaigning, Obama made out that he wasn't happy being stuck in neutral, and wanted to make significant progress so the USA could withdraw from Afghanistan sooner. Essentially win the war so you can pull troops out.

Has he done this? No. The war is still stuck in neutral, all he has done is make empty promises and the war is still somewhat of a stalemate.

From the same source you gave me...

"If elected, Obama says, he would immediately withdraw thousands of ground troops from Iraq and send them to Afghanistan to help undermanned US forces defeat the Taliban and Al Qaeda."

This pretty much outlines the plan which I was aware of, and I'm not sure he is accomplishing this at all. A few weeks ago he even rejected a plan to send more troops into Afghanistan with a clear aim to end the war quickly.

Actually... i'd say the war in Afganistan is firmly in "reverse" now.

As in... getting worse.