Yeah, they had a producer and tech support from SCE Japan Studio.  The rest was FROM (and some subcontracted developers like Tose, Digital Works, Polygon Magic, etc).

Maybe if NIn could play well with other like Sony they have more variety in games and maybe id actually want to buy their console for their 1st party games.

I take Halo is not a MS game in your mind cause they don't own bungie.

They owned Bungie while Halo 1-3 were in development.  Also, Nintendo's worked with more external developers than Sony or Microsoft this gen on 1st party projects.

You said it. Crazy.

Then those games arent their own, they just farm out to other developers cause they are clearly incapable of developing them on their own as you'd say right ?

ODST is not MS game then, nor will Reach be a MS game.  According to your standards.

By my standards neither ODST or Reach were made by Microsoft.  That doesn't mean they're not Microsoft games.

i hope it does well and i think it will (at the right price) outselling the wii would take a hell of alot though but hey you never know. With good adverts and software it just might. As for the sony wand errr no.

Producer support? Wouldn't that mean then that Sony are capable, to some extent?

@adam84: What you listed as factors of success for natal:

-Adverts

-Software

-Price

...also apply to the wand.

There was a SCE Japan Studio producer and FROM Soft producer.  That's usually how it goes with contracted games.

I say Sony's definitely a capable dev, but they've never really homegrown as "hardcore" a game as Fire Emblem.  Anything that's ever come close (Demon's Souls, Carnage Heart, etc) was always done by someone else.

Ok, but wouldn't that mean Sony contributed in the way of the game design?