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Avinash_Tyagi on 26 November 2009

^Wii HD wouldn't be better

More expensive, fewer sales, less support



 

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GuyDuke on 26 November 2009
Bigsilvs said:
The most important reason is the Wii doesn't have any good games. Mario, Metroid, and Zelda = FAIL! Also, the Wii remote sucks!

What do you say? Wii remote is sexy! Ergonomic, Dynamic, it fits perfectly for all types of movement (classic style, archery, sword...)

Seriously, when you say Mario, Metroid and Zelda = FAIL, that's where your argument fail. Mario doesn't fail. Mario is moving tons of consoles and games. Look at Mario Kart Wii beast! New Super Mario Bros DS!

 

Zelda... Zelda games are one of the most anticipated titles when they approach their release date. And Metroid is like a candy, a little +



Kantor on 26 November 2009
guiduc said:
Kantor said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Most third party games don't sell particularly well on Wii (the exception being...how do I explain this without saying the word "casual"?),"

That's because most of the games MADE by third parties are casual. They basically made the situation they are complaining about. If they had started with hit core games from the beginning, the sales would have been different.

Indeed. But look at the ones which aren't casual (and are exclusives, and are considered quality):

  • MadWorld
  • The Conduit
  • Zack and Wiki
  • No More Heroes

None of them broke a million, and only one broke 500k.

Then there are games like Dead Space Extraction.

Actually, Monster Hunter 3 has done really good in Japan.

That's true, I'll give you that.

Of course, it is rather a large series in Japan, and it would have sold well on anything. Better on a portable than Wii, better on Wii than an HD console.



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ironman on 26 November 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
^Wii HD wouldn't be better

More expensive, fewer sales, less support

What you think is better is irrelevant given the fact that it would be an upgrade to what is currently available. And you still havn't explained how being excited at the posibility of a more powerful system, is hate by any stretch of the imagination.



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NKAJ on 26 November 2009

probably cos itsj ust too easy not to give it respect.
While the other big two went for new stunning high definition graphics and thingsl like online wii went backwards going to bad graphics and seemingly more kiddy style.
I mean even kids i see say wii is for 3 year olds,im not saying it is,but too mnay people see it that way



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dobby985 on 26 November 2009
leatherhat said:
Because it has a mediocre software library geared towards the casual audience.

This basically. Plus the graphics.

I don't believe I have to give the Wii any respect.



jarrod on 26 November 2009
Kantor said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Most third party games don't sell particularly well on Wii (the exception being...how do I explain this without saying the word "casual"?),"

That's because most of the games MADE by third parties are casual. They basically made the situation they are complaining about. If they had started with hit core games from the beginning, the sales would have been different.

Indeed. But look at the ones which aren't casual (and are exclusives, and are considered quality):

  • MadWorld
  • The Conduit
  • Zack and Wiki
  • No More Heroes

None of them broke a million, and only one broke 500k.

Then there are games like Dead Space Extraction.

None of those games would've sold any better on any other platform.  Even PS2.

They're all also new IPs.  When we look at established 3rd party games (Monster Hunter, Resident Evil, Sonic, Star Wars, Monkey Ball, Tiger Woods, PES, DDR, Guitar Hero, Call of Duty, Rock Band, Cooking Mama, HOTD, etc, etc) we also start seeing quite a lot of Wii million sellers.



Kantor on 26 November 2009
jarrod said:
Kantor said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Most third party games don't sell particularly well on Wii (the exception being...how do I explain this without saying the word "casual"?),"

That's because most of the games MADE by third parties are casual. They basically made the situation they are complaining about. If they had started with hit core games from the beginning, the sales would have been different.

Indeed. But look at the ones which aren't casual (and are exclusives, and are considered quality):

  • MadWorld
  • The Conduit
  • Zack and Wiki
  • No More Heroes

None of them broke a million, and only one broke 500k.

Then there are games like Dead Space Extraction.

None of those games would've sold any better on any other platform.  Even PS2.

They're all also new IPs.  When we look at established 3rd party games (Monster Hunter, Resident Evil, Sonic, Star Wars, Monkey Ball, Tiger Woods, PES, DDR, Guitar Hero, Call of Duty, Rock Band, Cooking Mama, HOTD, etc, etc) we also start seeing quite a lot of Wii million sellers.

True. I never said they would. But for some reason, developers seem to think that Wii games must either be ports, multiplats, or innovative but slightly ridiculous concepts that will never sell. Having said that, people were predicting large numbers for The Conduit as late as early 2009. They're to blame, for the most part.

Of the games you listed, only Monster Hunter, Monkey Ball and HoTD are exclusive and quality. I'm not saying the Wii can't sell third party games, it just doesn't sell the majority of third party support that it does get on the same level as the HD consoles.

Which wouldn't be so much of an obstacle to Wii development if not for my other point about how they need to create an entirely new version with different controls, and technical limitations (a game world like Oblivion, for example, presumably would not run on Wii, certainly not with its current graphics and in its current size).



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LordTheNightKnight on 26 November 2009

"Of course, it is rather a large series in Japan, and it would have sold well on anything."

The point is that plenty of games would have sold well even on the Wii and they are still denying the system those games.



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Kantor on 26 November 2009
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Of course, it is rather a large series in Japan, and it would have sold well on anything."

The point is that plenty of games would have sold well even on the Wii and they are still denying the system those games.

Any game focused on Japan (with the exception of FF, for obvious reasons), should be released on Wii if it's releasing on a console. The Wii does sell the majority of software very well in Japan.

It's in the West where things don't go so well with third party titles.



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