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nanarchy said:
I can't understand why there are people that support this case in this thread. If Datel win this it could be potentially disasterous for future consoles as they could no longer rely on providing consoles as a loss leader with the intention on making money back on accessories/software. The end result is less cutting edge technology or hiked up initial console costs, neither is good for gamers.

I hate accessory pricing and game pricing for that matter, but I recognise this is where console makers make there money. No profit equals no consoles, Datel are just trying to cash in on others investments.

this is true, unless you're nintendo, every console you put out is going to cost more to produce then when you sell it. games and accessories are what consoles makers can only fall back on when a console gets released.



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I'm just happy with my 120 gig harddrive. It's plenty enough storage for me. But I do think prices are way too high. If they win, I hope it will bring more competition and hopefully a price decrease.



Everyone needs to play Lost Odyssey! Any opposition to this and I will have to just say, "If it's a fight you want, you got it!"

nightsurge said:

Any accessory must be approved to work with the Xbox 360 by Microsoft. If third parties want to make memory accessories, that's great! They just need to get MS approval first. Now if this lawsuit forces MS to lower the prices on its proprietary memory or to allow third party memory, GREAT! Finally better prices! But at the same time MS has to be allowed the final word on all accessories so that crappy or potential dangerous products don't get connected to your 360.

Correct.



Joelcool7 said:

Theirs a reason their is the Nintendo Seal of Approval, I'm not sure if Microsoft or Sony have similiar seals. But developers should be aloud to develop what ever they want for any platform regardless of the first parties tastes. Example the only reason Wisdom Tree went around Nintendo was because no one would approve of their Bible Games. Today we see only about a single Christian game each generation. It should be like freedom of speech developers should be able to develope freely without fears of getting approval. If the game lacks the Nintendo seal of approval then people know Nintendo did not actually liscence the game, as such Nintendo can't be held liable for the product. Thats good enough for me, companies should have seals of approval letting the consumer know that they did not approve or nescessarily agree with the game's content.

 

Like at the begging of movies, the screen lights up and say for example "The content of this movie and the views made in this movie are not the views of 21st Century Fox". Their you go now Fox isn't held responsable for the content and the developer is free to express his views as he wants. Freedom to develop products without prejeduce and bias should be a given. But today if Nintendo Sony or Microsoft disagree with your product. Oh well you just have to develop something they agree with. Thats just not right.

Yes it's a big freedom of speech issue. Since M$, $ony and Nintendo have complete control over what can be developed for their platform (unlike the PC platform, where anything goes.. religious games, porn games, political games, white power video games. lol) thanks to the DMCA laws (which made lockout bypasses illegal now I believe), you can't do anything that is considered controversial on the consoles. One Japanese XNA developer was forced by MS Europe to take down his visual novel game because it didn't the protagonist forcefully pushing down a female character (looking almost as if he was going to rape her). On the PC by contrast, there are Japanese 18+ rated eroges where you can rape women. For it to be illegal to release unlicensed games on consoles is a restriction on freedom of speech. Why is it ok to release a controversial game on a PC but not ok for a console? Only a moron would hold M$, Sony or Nintendo accountable when there is no offcial branding (the Wii, Xbox 360 and Live logos, the PS3 logo. etc) on the games. On the boxart these games say "for use with the Nintendo Entertainment System" or whatever. Right now if I was a indie developer, I'd say that XNA, XBLA and PSN don't look so hot for me. I'd rather work on an open unrestricted platform like the PC where I have the freedom to put as more gore, sexual content and other controversial stuff in my games as I please and don't have to abide by console manufacturer standards.

And you bring up a good example with movies. Movie studios go as far as funding controversial movies but they absolve themselves of responsibility by adding the disclaimer.



On the one hand, poor quality products or stuff that allows cheating just sucks so it makes sense console manufacturers can control who produces what

On the other hand, I hate closed systems that allow for ridiculous accessory charges (not sure I'll every truly forgive Sony the cost of 8MB on PS2) so I do want anything fair at a lower price to get through, putting pressure on console branded stuff to be competitive

And on the gripping hand I just can't decide either way - guess I'll just go with the flow of the final legal judgment.



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

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nanarchy said:
I can't understand why there are people that support this case in this thread. If Datel win this it could be potentially disasterous for future consoles as they could no longer rely on providing consoles as a loss leader with the intention on making money back on accessories/software. The end result is less cutting edge technology or hiked up initial console costs, neither is good for gamers.

I hate accessory pricing and game pricing for that matter, but I recognise this is where console makers make there money. No profit equals no consoles, Datel are just trying to cash in on others investments.

Maybe because consoles SHOULDN'T loss lead.

They're a form of entertainment... not medical technology or something important.  Maintaing consumer rights is far more important then worrying about the next sysetem having "Super HD."



M$ accessories are outrageously priced, i hope datel wins, 3rd parties drove down the prices of hardware in the ps1/n64 era, with cheaper accessories maybe people could afford to buy more software, competition helps the consumer and everyone's happy when consumers have more money



Man, MS is bombing (and when I mean bombing, I mean destroying) anything they can, in order to prevent modification and hacking through software or add-ons ever since the bannings. Its only going to get worse imo.



Red4ADevil said:
Man, MS is bombing (and when I mean bombing, I mean destroying) anything they can, in order to prevent modification and hacking through software or add-ons ever since the bannings. Its only going to get worse imo.

This memory lockout happened way before the bannings.  And it can only get worse for pirates.  People who legally purchase and enjoy their Xbox Live, games, storage, etc. are all fine



nightsurge said:
Red4ADevil said:
Man, MS is bombing (and when I mean bombing, I mean destroying) anything they can, in order to prevent modification and hacking through software or add-ons ever since the bannings. Its only going to get worse imo.

This memory lockout happened way before the bannings.  And it can only get worse for pirates.  People who legally purchase and enjoy their Xbox Live, games, storage, etc. are all fine


Thats true, is just that ms is attacking any base they can find thats running illiegal pirating and hacking, and its only going to get worse  when the pirates and hackers come back and retaliate ten fold.