Are you saying I should skip the gen :O
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nitekrawler1285 said:
Except that they will be facing two entrenched competitors which in a retail space where competitors may have been already been able to get their machine as cheap as Sony new one. If they wait to long they miss the development cycles that will start that generation of games and we see the same thing we saw with the PS3 early on only far worse. It's about cutting your losses and trying to evolve your company towards something new. Even if best you can hope for is Apple lite with better games(and they'd better get out there before that last statement isn't true anymore) |
and what happen if you remake history, u release this console later, with a higher price BUT far batter technology. I m not talking about a 1 year delay like in PS3-360 that IMO was bad for the PS3, I m talking about a 2-3 years delay allowing a big gap in technology ...
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What the hell? Another thread like this....SONY WON'T SKIP THE NEXT GENERATION!
Now please stop with these threads.
No, Sony shouldn't and doesn't have to sit out next gen. This gen they made a bunch of mistakes with the PS3....pretty much all the mistakes you can. But that doesn't mean one generation of mistakes will cause the end of their console life cycle. Plus, a lot of their problems came from internal mismanagement (see Ken and Kaz). That's being sorted out, as the entire structure of Sony has been re-arranged thanks to CEO Howard Stringer. Sony is really changing, and by next gen, they might have a completely new type of machine then the last 3 we've seen from them.
The company that should sit out next gen is Microsoft. Their companies focus, marketing structure and plans aren't built with a gaming console in mind. And currently, they don't even seem to be focusing on the future of gaming at all, more focused on trying to keep their company #1 in software development and trying to 'annex' google with Bing and IT technologies within the next 5 years. And frankly, like everything else, the heads of Microsoft seem to have a 'we blame everyone else' type of attitide towards thinking aboutthe future. Whether its the current head of XBOX IS or Steve Ballmer himself, Microsofts answer to the future always seems to be 'they copy us, we're doing everything right, the customer just didn't like our product, we're working on something bigger and better, we've already got something else better....' Aka, an angry excuse.
It will be interesting to see if they even do anything new with their third XBOX console rather than a graphical upgrade. They certainly don't seem to be putting any R&D into it. Aside from Natal.
| 0cton said: If it wasn't for piracy psp would have been very profitable. piracy killed the ps3. |
Piracy is an even bigger problem on the DS and its the most profitable gaming device this gen. PSPs biggest problem is it focused on trying to be a movie player, 'app' machine, location generatior, tea maker, etc. Anything but being primarily a gaming machine. And the only device which has succeeded in this field (in the long run) is the iphone. Even then the iphone isn't selling for its games primarily. After a while, people just understood that the PSP wasn't going to have the amount and quality of games of the DS, and made the switch.
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| Kenryoku_Maxis said: No, Sony shouldn't and doesn't have to sit out next gen. This gen they made a bunch of mistakes with the PS3....pretty much all the mistakes you can. But that doesn't mean one generation of mistakes will cause the end of their console life cycle. Plus, a lot of their problems came from internal mismanagement (see Ken and Kaz). That's being sorted out, as the entire structure of Sony has been re-arranged thanks to CEO Howard Stringer. Sony is really changing, and by next gen, they might have a completely new type of machine then the last 3 we've seen from them. The company that should sit out next gen is Microsoft. Their companies focus, marketing structure and plans aren't built with a gaming console in mind. And currently, they don't even seem to be focusing on the future of gaming at all, more focused on trying to keep their company #1 in software development and trying to 'annex' google with Bing and IT technologies within the next 5 years. And frankly, like everything else, the heads of Microsoft seem to have a 'we blame everyone else' type of attitide towards thinking aboutthe future. Whether its the current head of XBOX IS or Steve Ballmer himself, Microsofts answer to the future always seems to be 'they copy us, we're doing everything right, the customer just didn't like our product, we're working on something bigger and better, we've already got something else better....' Aka, an angry excuse. It will be interesting to see if they even do anything new with their third XBOX console rather than a graphical upgrade. They certainly don't seem to be putting any R&D into it. Aside from Natal.
Piracy is an even bigger problem on the DS and its the most profitable gaming device this gen. PSPs biggest problem is it focused on trying to be a movie player, 'app' machine, location generatior, tea maker, etc. Anything but being primarily a gaming machine. And the only device which has succeeded in this field (in the long run) is the iphone. Even then the iphone isn't selling for its games primarily. After a while, people just understood that the PSP wasn't going to have the amount and quality of games of the DS, and made the switch. |
The big problem for the PSP is that Sony is trying to make it do everything, without getting one thing down right.
They had a good string of PSP games this year, but none really stood out. The american and european releases of Dissidia did not hold up as well as the Japanese launch. It's not bad. Combined it's sold over a million, but it could have done better in the markets outside of japan. That's just a small example.
| 0cton said: If it wasn't for piracy psp would have been very profitable. piracy killed the ps3. |
It is very profitable,its old but still does some amazing numbers...
| libellule said: people are out on this point .. it is not about skipping next generation, it is about temporally disrupt the console generation by avoiding to release their next console too early. In clear : delay the PS4 by 2-3 years to DISRUPT the classical "console generation" and by releasing a REALLY improved PS4 with superior hardware/technology/innovation that will avoid direct competition AND allow a not so high release price ... |
This sounds like a decent idea. But will the next gen Nintendo console be motion control again or something else? and PS3 is going 3d, but yeah they shouldn't rush the next console like they ddi the PS3. If the PS3 had come out a year later it would have had a huge launch lineup and might have been cheaper too.
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| Kenryoku_Maxis said: No, Sony shouldn't and doesn't have to sit out next gen. This gen they made a bunch of mistakes with the PS3....pretty much all the mistakes you can. But that doesn't mean one generation of mistakes will cause the end of their console life cycle. Plus, a lot of their problems came from internal mismanagement (see Ken and Kaz). That's being sorted out, as the entire structure of Sony has been re-arranged thanks to CEO Howard Stringer. Sony is really changing, and by next gen, they might have a completely new type of machine then the last 3 we've seen from them. The company that should sit out next gen is Microsoft. Their companies focus, marketing structure and plans aren't built with a gaming console in mind. And currently, they don't even seem to be focusing on the future of gaming at all, more focused on trying to keep their company #1 in software development and trying to 'annex' google with Bing and IT technologies within the next 5 years. And frankly, like everything else, the heads of Microsoft seem to have a 'we blame everyone else' type of attitide towards thinking aboutthe future. Whether its the current head of XBOX IS or Steve Ballmer himself, Microsofts answer to the future always seems to be 'they copy us, we're doing everything right, the customer just didn't like our product, we're working on something bigger and better, we've already got something else better....' Aka, an angry excuse. It will be interesting to see if they even do anything new with their third XBOX console rather than a graphical upgrade. They certainly don't seem to be putting any R&D into it. Aside from Natal.
Piracy is an even bigger problem on the DS and its the most profitable gaming device this gen. PSPs biggest problem is it focused on trying to be a movie player, 'app' machine, location generatior, tea maker, etc. Anything but being primarily a gaming machine. And the only device which has succeeded in this field (in the long run) is the iphone. Even then the iphone isn't selling for its games primarily. After a while, people just understood that the PSP wasn't going to have the amount and quality of games of the DS, and made the switch. |
You can check previous PS3 doomed threads i'm normally saying that. I just haven't seen enough evidence yet that they are really going to get it all done. I've seen meager improvements that dont promise much for the future. They obviously can't give two systems enough support enough for either to truly differentiate itself library wise. They need to focus on one and the cheaper one which could have a great life outside of games if streamlined seems better than going at another black hole for money.
If one person goes to the next generation so will most of the major publishers and developers. The only exception would be Nintnendo as the gain in tech would probably just be bringing it up to par plus new and strange interface. But delaying when everyone in the world may not support you because of your previous debacle especially when your systems are known mostly for the presence of high quality 3rd party studios would be suicide. It would make the PS4 once again the expensive machine, with no games.
Microsoft has the money and enough vested profitable interests to carry the xbox division. Sony isn't really making much money from other divisions. M$ is better set to absorb the losses than Sony.
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