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Sqrl said:
kazadoom said:

I am not trying to convert anyone, besides only God can save people, not me. This merely was to make people think. We are all going to face death one day, the question is where do you stand. Do with it what you will, you did not have to click the link or follow through with it, that was your choice. If all this is BS like so many people say it is, then why is everyone so bothered by it. Simply move on. The fact that it bothers so many people should tell you there is truth to it. Go ahead and try to deny it, but I bet you will be thinking about it when you lay your head down tonight.


 Actually I have already gone to sleep and gotten up since then, and I can honestly say I didn't even give it another thought.

 The reason this bothers me is because if I were to make a thread, and the entire point was to point out the stupidity of religion.  And highlight all of the stupid things done/caused by religions from torturing people who had epilepsy and drilling holes into the head of people who had high fevers and the chills, all the way to the 500 year period where science was heracy  and stunted the intellectual growth of the human race in the name of god. Just to make people "think" about their religion.  Well I think you would be pretty "bothered" as well. 

But don't worry thats not really how I look at it.  Well I do think religion is responsible for a lot of horrible things in this world, but I recognize the role it plays in people's lives and is why I think it is important. I also recognize the differences between then and now, although there are quite a few remaining similarities. But I don't think you or anyone else should be going out of your way to convert a bunch of people. 

Your whole "I'm not trying to convert you but I want you to think about." speach is all well and good...until you realise how incredibly stupid it sounds.

 "Hi, I don't want to sell you this vacuum cleaner, but if you will just let me come into your house and give you a free cleaning and lay on a huge helping of guilt and BS I will just be on my way." 

You don't let that guy into your house because he is obviously trying to sell you a vacuum cleaner.  Just like I don't let you into my head because you are obviously trying to sell your belief system to the first sucker who comes along that isn't willing to do the thinking for himself.

People need to find these answers on their own. To be handed your beliefs by someone you met on the internet or any other fashion is a hollow faith.  Do your own thinking people, don't be suckered into believing what every random passer-by who has already made up their mind for themselves believes.


That is funny seeing the first thing you did was come check this thread and make another post on it.  I guess that proves you were not thinking about it. 



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Final-Fan said:
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super_etecoon said:
kazadoom...you fail.

Propoganda in the form of an internet test...Oh boy. This is as bad as a chain letter. Only you don't have to send it to ten people....you just have to BELIEVE or you will end up burning in a fiery pit for the rest of eternity....

Muahahahahahahahahahah.


Hey kazadoom....question for you:

Do you have to pass this test to be a good person?


super, the point is that no one is good, no one. The only hope that we have is the blood that Jesus Christ shed on the cross for us. I cannot pass this, I have broken them all. I have chosen to repent for breaking the laws that God put over us and place my trust in Jesus Christ, for He is the only way to be right with God. This is a means to show us all how we have disobeyed a Holy and Righteous God and will have to stand in judgement one day for it. He sacrificed His only Son to make payment for your sins and now you have the choice. Chose God's way to heaven, Jesus Christ, or pay for your sins yourself, which will mean eternity in Hell.


Next time you make a thread like this make it obvious that your sole motivation is to try and attempt to convert people.

Otherwise you totally lose my respect =

PS: LOLWUT! IM GOIN TO TEH HELLZ!


I am not trying to convert anyone, besides only God can save people, not me. This merely was to make people think. We are all going to face death one day, the question is where do you stand. Do with it what you will, you did not have to click the link or follow through with it, that was your choice. If all this is BS like so many people say it is, then why is everyone so bothered by it. Simply move on. The fact that it bothers so many people should tell you there is truth to it. Go ahead and try to deny it, but I bet you will be thinking about it when you lay your head down tonight.

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Oh, you don't want to go there.  Plenty of doctrine that isn't true bothers me, and bothers you too.  Don't make me compare you to some examples. 

 You're right, but the Word of God is quick and powerful and sharper than any two edged sword, and it bothers people to hear it plain and simple.  In my hurry I should have worded this a little better.  Just because it bothers you does not make it true, but the Word of God is true, and it almost always bothers people.  I was just trying to make the point that if everyone thinks it is stupid, then why comment about it?  Just go look at something else, but they can't because it convicts them to look at it and instead of embracing the truth, they attack it so to repress the guilty feelings and questions about the truth they now have.  Good eye though and thanks for keeping me on my toes.



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Final-Fan said:

Kirk Cameron, how low you've sunk.   

I like their section that "proves" evolution is wrong.  

They spend the first five minutes or more interviewing 3 laymen, presumably college students, IN DEPTH on how life began on Earth, what it was like when it emerged from the ocean, what man might have evolved from, etc.  One does pretty poorly, one doesn't know much but knows his limits, and one does pretty well.  Every time they say "maybe", "probably", "possibly", "I don't know", or "I'm not an expert" gets counted against them.  

Then they start the real show.  I've paraphrased what he said in the next two paragraphs.

'Evolution says that everything evolved from one-celled animals into all the animals we have today.  But that would mean that there would have to be thousands of animals connecting one animal to another.  But there are huge gaps in [the fossil record].  These are known as the missing links. 

'You know all those pictures that the books on evolution show, with drawings of monkey-like creatures that straighten up and become manlike?  Those are only pictures.  In fact, there is nothing in between the monkey and humans.  There is no missing link.'

He gives examples of false missing links, such as:  "Neanderthal man was actually the skull of an old man who suffered from arthiritis.  Hardly scientific proof."  Really?  All 400 Neanderthals whose remains have been found were actually one Frenchman with arthiritis?

Then he makes faces and cuts to a chimpanzee making the same faces.  "Does this prove that man evolved?  No, not at all."

Then they say that since evolution says that "apes are our relatives" they're going to try to book an airline flight with their relative the chimpanzee.  Cue a minute or two of them not getting their ticket.

Then, since "some evolutionists claim that apes are just about as intelligent as humans", they take him out to lunch.  He likes their lunch better than his own, so they swap.  I would say that the table manners are about as good as that of a small child who is not under tight control and can't use tableware. 

Then the video stopped.  I don't know if it was actually over, but I frankly don't care anymore.  


 If you really want to look at some interesting things on Evolution then check out:

http://www.answersingenesis.org

 



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hey kazadoom read this!!

As I have said many times before, the purpose of this column is not to promote the "us vs. them" mentality against the theists, rather to promote understanding and tolerance.

However, we all know that many theists are so closed-minded about us that they won't even talk to us, let alone try to understand us. This is usually not their fault, as they are told terrible things about us by people they trust, their preachers, whose whole livelihood depends on their parishioners staying in the flock.

It is this prejudice and conflict which is one of the main factors keeping atheists in the closet and theists in ignorance. With dialogue, not prejudice, both sides will benefit and the country will become a freer place. In this article I will therefore mention many of the myths about atheists that are popular among theists, as well as my usual responses. With any luck, this will prepare atheists for future confrontations and therefore make them more confident to announce themselves, as well as allow theist readers to better understand the atheist mentality.

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Myth 1 : "Atheists are all the same"


You can understand why theists believe this, after being told this over and over by their preachers. This belief is reinforced by the fact that believers must be bound by
much more than a simple belief in God. For example, Catholics must also have the same stances on abortion, contraception, and homosexuality in order to be called a "good Catholic." It only goes to follow that atheism must be similar.

However, atheism is not a religion, rather the absence of religion. As such, we are bound only by our atheism. We are republicans and democrats, men and women, gays and straights, blacks and whites. We accept every person as they are as equals, and delight in our diversity (not many religions can say that). We disagree with each
other on many issues, and discussion is encouraged and common. Above all, atheists demand the right to disagree, even if it means with each other.



Myth 2 : "Atheists have no morals, since they don't believe in God"


What a sad world it is when people can seriously say that humans need to fear eternal damnation in order to do good. It is the one statement which at the same time stirs both anger and pity in most atheists; anger because it is a bigoted, prejudicial statement which serves no purpose except to promote intolerance, and pity because it highlights the speaker's ignorance and willingness to accept such crap without question.

At the risk of validating the question, a reply needs to be made in order to expose the speaker to the idea that what they've heard is wrong on so many dimensions. It must not be answered with anger, but with compassion.

Humans have the idea of right and wrong imbedded in them by their own brains, as well as their upbringing and society. Atheists do good, not out of fear of reprisal, but because it's the right thing to do. We value family, society, culture, and, of course, freedom. Many of us will - and have - defend these values with our lives. Examples:

1) Many Catholics make judgement calls on moral decisions against their church. For example, some use birth control or have abortions, despite what their church preaches. If these people can make moral decisions despite what their church preaches, then atheists can make similar choices without a church altogether.

2) Slavery was not only acceptable 200 years ago, it was considered a good deed by many, and defended using the bible. The bible was also used to justify the Holocaust, the Crusades, and the Spanish Inquisition.

Why is this relevant? Because it shows that the bible can be used to defend even the most immoral and unethical ideals, and is therefore not an adequate yardstick to
measure moral or ethical behavior.

3) Finally, mention bad religious people. Remember that Hitler was a religious Catholic, and that Jeffrey Dahmer said grace before he ate his victims. Mention also that one need only open a newspaper to find yet another story about allegations against priests for sexual misconduct, often with children. Don't forget our good friends Jim Baker (who swindled millions from his flock) and Jimmy Swaggart (asked for forgiveness only after being caught using prostitutes).

4) Always couple these statements with the fact that, while atheists make up 8-10% of the population at large, we only make up 1% of the population in prison. I mean, think of it, what if 8-10% of the population (on top of all the religious criminals) decided it was OK to steal, rape, and murder? We'd have chaos! These will serve to prove
that religion and ethical behavior are not even slightly related.

Expect these statements to piss off the theists, and this is where you must mention that what you said is verifiable and that their statement is openly prejudicial against 25
million people. This is the opportunity to open their eyes to the fact that just because we're different from them doesn't make us inherently bad.



Myth 3 : "Atheists believe in evolution, but that doesn't answer as many
questions as creationism"


Atheism is not a scientific theory, rather a lack of religion. We do believe in science, and that all questions will eventually be answered with science if they are not answered today. It's gone well so far, giving theories regarding evolution, geological
movement, and the Big Bang, all supported by evidence, but not necessarily endorsed by all atheists.

Creationism does not give all the answers, either. Furthermore, it goes so far as to choose which questions to answer, and discourages the asking of the rest. Believers are loath to discuss where God came from, or what he was doing before the creation. They refuse to give good answers for the many biblical inconsistencies or for the terrible injustices in the world, because they know that no such answers exist. They merely answer with "there are things which we mere humans cannot fully understand" or "the Lord works in mysterious ways". In the end, religion doesn't answer as many questions as it raises.



Myth 4 : "Atheists cannot know there is no God, since you cannot prove he doesn't exist"


Again, this is a two sided coin, but the theists are loathe to admit the other side. Atheists don't need to prove the non-existence of God, any more we need to prove the nonexistence of Zeus or Jupiter. Can theists prove God over any alternatives? Of course not. Nobody can prove God exists, yet they will stand on their heads saying they're sure. Well, if they can be sure despite evidence to the contrary, we can be sure in light of evidence in support of atheism.



Myth 5 : "Atheists seek to remove religion from society, and to force all
people to be atheists"


Absolutely wrong. We seek only the freedom for people to make their choice on their own, free of intervention from the government or public school system. We seek the freedom not to support religion through taxes, forced participation, or special privileges of any kind.

That being said, your thoughts are your rights, and none of our business. Wear your jewelry, celebrate your holidays, and pray in your house, church, or in public if you like. Just don't force your religion on other people. That's what we're all about.

This is in direct contrast to many of the world's religions, including Christianity, which include worldwide expansion as one of their central objectives. Isn't it amazing that they falsely accuse us of doing what they do openly, only with atheism it's evil?

To try to force atheism would by hypocritical, since we would be placing pressure from the state on people to believe a certain way. But let me give a good analogy to our objectives and at the same time answer this charge using the money we use every day.

"In God We Trust," is the government actively promoting religion.

"In God We Do Not Trust," would be the government promoting atheism.

We advocate the complete omission of the statement thereby rendering the money neutral.

We feel the same way about the rest of the government. It should be the "Switzerland of the religious debate," while at the same time being the protectorate of the individual.



Myth 6 : "Atheists are so closed-minded, they can't see that miracles
happen every day!"


Some people look for miracles where none exist (they never do). Allow me to put things in perspective: Someone's cancer going into remission is no miracle, but we can talk when disease suddenly disappears from the face of the earth overnight without help from medical science. Food getting through to a hungry village: human perseverance. Starvation vanishing from earth without a reason overnight: Miracle. One more time: A child is born - science; The spontaneous end of birth defects - Miracle. Got it?

Note: only good things are miracles, so volcanoes, tornadoes, and hurricanes don't count.



Myth 7 : "Atheists are pushing a negative sentiment, and have a dreary
life"


Wrong. We are "pushing" a very positive statement: that living without dependence on a false deity is easy, fulfilling, and positive. We strive to be a positive influence in the world, and think each person can - and must - find their own meaning of life. We are thinkers, philosophers, and we thrive on discussion and diversity. We are proud, happy, and most of all, free. Compare that to original sin and Hell.



Myth 8 : " If atheists are right, then religious people are wasting their time, but at least they're happy. No harm in that! If religious people are right, then atheists are going to hell. It seems logical that atheists should become religious just to be safe."


I like getting this question. I sense another list coming :

1) Drug addicts go through life happy, so would theists suggest we all use drugs and stay home? We would be happy, and not hurting anybody, so where's the harm?
The harm is the same for believers. They go through life happy, but it's a false, wasteful happiness. Atheists get happiness from family, contribution to society, charity, and truth.

2) Religious people should not be lumped into one category for this question. Remember, religions are also biased against each other (Jews vs. Catholics Vs.
Protestants, etc), so no matter what religion the speaker follows, most of the world thinks they're going to hell (or other punishment), just like atheists. Ask them which religion has the worst punishment, and whether they would convert to that religion on that one factor, just in case they're right. When they tell you how absurd that question is, remind them that they asked it first.

3) To convert and practice a specific religion just to ingratiate yourself with God and avoid going to hell is pure, self-serving greed, which is one of the seven deadly
sins. Therefore, by their own thinking, even if they are right and I do convert, I'd go to hell anyway, along with everyone else in the flock whose actions are so motivated (possibly including the speaker).



Myth 9 : "There are no such things as atheists" a.k.a. "There are no
atheists in foxholes"


More fantasy from the believers, that there could never exist a single human whose reason and logical abilities surpass the pressure from society to believe in a deity. This is especially true in a situation of imminent death, where they believe all atheists would drop to our knees and beg God for forgiveness.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could somehow be sure that those who currently disagree with us would come around in the end and know we were right? Just like most other parts of religion, this is blatant fantasy.

There are 25 Million atheists in the country, more that Jews and Blacks combined. Many atheists became atheists not because they were born into it (like most theists), rather because we contemplated god in its many forms and decided it just doesn't make an ounce of sense. This isn't a choice, it's fact - a logical proof. We are simply too logical to believe God is anything more than fantasy.

As far as foxholes go, when I face death, as we all do sooner or later, I will use the last few remaining seconds of my life to remember my favorite moments, and evaluate my contribution to my family and society. I would definitely not waste precious time praying to a deity "just in case I'm wrong" I'm not.



Myth 10 : "This country was founded by Christians, on Christian values,
and should therefore be a Christian country".

True, some of the founding fathers were Christian, but some were Deists (generally believed in God), and some were outright atheists. But a more important point needs to be made: the founding fathers went out of their way to specify that church and state be separate. They believed that their religion was just that: theirs and theirs alone.
They also remembered that they were their trying to be free of the state church of England, and recognized from their first-hand experience that true religious freedom can only come when belief is left to the individual. It is this ideal, among others, for which our forefathers fought and died.

Individual religious choice - including the right not to practice - is still under assault in this country. Those who would prefer to make the choice for you have labeled us criminal, evil ne'er-do-wells and launched a massive campaign to keep freethinkers subdued. They have been successful, mainly because atheism is fragmented and
closeted.

They continue to be successful, but we can reverse the trend. Atheists must make themselves known. If you are reading this, and you are a closet atheist, you owe it to your country, your fellow atheists, and yourself to let people know how you feel. Start by coming to our convention in June, and meeting other people like yourself.
You'll be amazed at how good it feels to speak, listen, and party with people who openly agree with you. Bring a friend.



So Kazadoom.Did you or did you not read the bible? I'm curious as to what you have to say about it. And try answering my earlier question. BTW Great read SleepWaking! Moderate,logical, tolerant, uningnorant, polite and sensible.Which i can't about Kazadoom who only seems to be capable of spewing rethoric from his indoctrination books, and prolly didnt read the bible to see what its all about, rather he just listened to his church masters interpreatation of the bible. And i wouldnt be surprised if his part of some youth league that go on random forums and post their crapp in an atempt to gather new believers.



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kergeten said:
So Kazadoom.Did you or did you not read the bible? I'm curious as to what you have to say about it. And try answering my earlier question.

 Yes, I read the Bible almost every morning to start my day.  I believe the Bible to be absolute truth, but really it does not matter what I or you or anyone else believes.  Truth is truth if 1 mil people believe it or 1.  Truth never changes, and one day we will see truth for what it is no matter what we believe.  God will judge the earth, and Christ is coming back to reign.  You can repent and trust in Him now, and get to go to heaven, or you will bow your knee to Him by force and then be cast to Hell for rejecting Him.  It is your choice so do what you will.  I am not sure what your earlier question was by the way.



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SleepWaking

 I am close minded, and so are you to me.  Jesus Christ was the most close minded person to ever walk the Earth.  He said, "I am the way, the truth, and the Life, no man can come to the Father except through me."  He threw every religion on earth in the garbage can, where it belongs.  He is the only way to God period and that is what I believe.  I also believe that you have the freedom and the right to disagree with me.  I believe that you have the right to be right and the right to be wrong.  One day whether you like it or not, believe it or not, you are going to stand before the God of the universe.  Unless your faith and trust is in Jesus Christ, you will be cast aside.  I am sorry if this is harsh, but this is what the Bible teaches and this is what I believe.  If I do not warn people, then I do not believe what I say I do which makes me a hypocrite.  I believe therefore I speak.  Hate me if you want to, trash me if you will, but I will not waiver.  I care too much to cast anyone aside.  I will preach the truth till I die.  Jesus is real because He has changed my life and He will do the same for you, but you have to humble yourself to Him.  It is your choice.  I have no desire to force anyone to do anything, only to spread what I know to be true.  They can do with it what they will.  I stand up for what I believe and I will never back down.



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omgwtfbbq said:
man if heaven is full of people like whoever wrote this test then I'm glad I'm going straight to hell

 Hahahaha.  How true that is.  According to Kazadoom's belief's, I wouldn't care to spend eternity with the sort of people that'd be in hevean, yikes.  Talk about terrible company.  Hell would have much better people to spend the rest of eternity with.



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My earlier post Kazadoom
There is so much ignorance in that "quiz" it's almost sublime, hell! It almost seems like it's satirical or some sort of parody.
Kazadoom! Do you actually take that shit seriosly, cuz if you do, you're in for a rude awakening. It's not sinners that go to hell, it's ignorant fools that cant accept different view points and see everything through a medieval helmet, like do fanatical religions( mind you a see nothing wrong in moderate religions).
Have you read the Bible? If you have, and you consider it the word of god, and the supreme truth, the truth of all truths, didnt you find at least one line that is so completely absurd or false or just wrong, even taking it seriously is a crime against modern human intelect?
Well, sometimes a go crazy and decide to read the bible starting from a random page, and say to myself that the moment i come across something completely false and absurd, i just stop reading, since i'm not the kind of person that enjoys mental enemas, or torture or just thinking like retarded 10 year old with a severe case of autism. Lets just say that i have never read more than one page...
And if you havent read the bible, than do read it, the world needs more atheists.
P.S. Im not an atheist , I believe in some form of god ,and the soul, and i believe praying helps no matter what religion you belong to. I just hate the church and any religion that has lust for power and gets involved in politics and tries to spread agressively.


BTW SleepWaking Great Read!Smart, moderate, polite, logical, sensible and unignorant. As for Kazadoom, you language clearly showes that you read nothing but your church's indoctrination books, that have nothing more that narrowminded, one sided religios rethoric. Also I wouldnt be surprised if your part of some youth league that goes on forums to spread "the truth", so that they can gather more belivers to extort money from. Do you receive something akin to achievement points for every sucker nabbed?



kazadoom said:

If you really want to look at some interesting things on Evolution then check out:

http://www.answersingenesis.org

 


Founded by Ken Ham?  Then there's no way I could even take that site seriously.  I went to one of his seminars.  There is just no way I could respect him, or the general crowd of that seminar.  They were all people who are just scared of life and have no coping skills.  They just wanted someone else to take care of them.  Ken Ham would discuss with the crowd how horrible life is and ask them, don't you want someone to fix it for you?  They were just a bunch of fearful people looking for someone else to tell them what to do.  I cannot respect that, and I found that mentality a scary thing.  That's a cult mentality.



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