takeru, you posted at the exact same time I did!  That was kind of weird...

Maybe it was fate, and God wanted it to happen?

I'm in ur interwebz, haxorzing ur foarums. 

 Not a joke, well at least not one Drawn Together did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirk_Cameron

"(Kirk) Cameron currently partners with fellow evangelist Ray Comfort in training Christians in evangelism. The two have a ministry together called The Way of the Master, which includes a television/video series, a multimedia website, and a live daily radio show The Way of the Master Radio Show with Minnesota talk show host Todd Friel."

Fairly certain it's even Mike Seaver's voice on the website.

@sqrl

I'm shocked to see someone else use the term "organized religion" as I've been the only person I've known to say it. (I know very few people though =P) I've always used it summarize my personal beef with religion. When it's not enough to simply have beliefs and you need reassurance, it usually leads to the production of symbols, rituals, and rigid ideologies doctrines all for the purpose of conversion and purification of other people just to reassure one group they can't be wrong if enough people believe it. The mere suggestion of change to a religious mindset is often labeled as hearsay which usually leads to formation of numerous sub-sects because of the afore mentioned rigid ideological doctrines. You aren’t allowed to question to rules, so start a slightly different offshoot of the same religion.

If someone wants to go worship a tree in his backyard, that’s his damn business. If that same someone rectifies uncertainty in his personal beliefs regarding his tree god by trade marking a symbol to brand posters and pamphlets he plans to harass everyone else in town with, I’ve got a problem then.

Wonder if there’s anything else I agree with sqrl on. Was it you who said they loved Conker’s Bad Fur Day and just couldn’t get excited for Mass Effect? Because I love Conker’s Bad Fur Day and just can’t get excited for Mass Effect. Or am I mixing you up with HappySqurriel?

#1 Guilty. God is a concept i dont understand
#2 Innocent. yes i dont believe in any religious idols, i am borned and grow up in a culture (chinese) which dont have religion but only superstitution
#3 Innocent. I swear and curse in foul languages only
#4 Guilty. what's wrong to work on sunday?
#5 Guilty. should have done and will be do better
#6 Guilty. I haven't kill any person in my life but i think it would be cool if i can gun down some criminals or terroists?
#7 Guilty. Look at a woman to lust? All the time! (But i think homosexual is not good, if you are a female then you shouldn't do it)
#8 Guilty. Yes i have some pirated softwares, DVD and MP3 in my PC.
#9 Guilty. Sometimes a lie can save you for many troubles, and not necessary a bad thing to the person you lied to
#10 Guilty. It may not be a good thing to desire your neighbour' wife, but desire their TV, Hi-Fi, Upper Deck Collection or 60' TV is a sin too?

 Actually I have already gone to sleep and gotten up since then, and I can honestly say I didn't even give it another thought.

 The reason this bothers me is because if I were to make a thread, and the entire point was to point out the stupidity of religion.  And highlight all of the stupid things done/caused by religions from torturing people who had epilepsy and drilling holes into the head of people who had high fevers and the chills, all the way to the 500 year period where science was heracy  and stunted the intellectual growth of the human race in the name of god. Just to make people "think" about their religion.  Well I think you would be pretty "bothered" as well. 

But don't worry thats not really how I look at it.  Well I do think religion is responsible for a lot of horrible things in this world, but I recognize the role it plays in people's lives and is why I think it is important. I also recognize the differences between then and now, although there are quite a few remaining similarities. But I don't think you or anyone else should be going out of your way to convert a bunch of people. 

Your whole "I'm not trying to convert you but I want you to think about." speach is all well and good...until you realise how incredibly stupid it sounds.

 "Hi, I don't want to sell you this vacuum cleaner, but if you will just let me come into your house and give you a free cleaning and lay on a huge helping of guilt and BS I will just be on my way." 

You don't let that guy into your house because he is obviously trying to sell you a vacuum cleaner.  Just like I don't let you into my head because you are obviously trying to sell your belief system to the first sucker who comes along that isn't willing to do the thinking for himself.

People need to find these answers on their own. To be handed your beliefs by someone you met on the internet or any other fashion is a hollow faith.  Do your own thinking people, don't be suckered into believing what every random passer-by who has already made up their mind for themselves believes.

Yeah, that was me =P My dislike of organised religion stretched back to when I was probably as young as 12.  I was able to seperate out the source of the problem fairly easily once I realised that the basic core message of a religion is always love/kindness but the people who lead those religions inevitably grow corrupt by the power it instills in them.  So I have chosen to strip away that aspect and look at the core of a faith. 

Honestly I didn't think there were many people who thought that way out there.  Allthough I was lucky enough to find a core group of friends who all see things very similarly in those regards.  Granted we all have vastly different beliefs, but our mutual understanding of what a religion is at its core allows us to see that the similarities matter for more than the differences. If that makes sense.